| Author | Message | ||
     Thepup |
I love this place,I agree with Bueller69.The way ppl react when someone doesn't wear the purple nikes and drink the kool-aid is a joke.I don't agree with Cc that the Buell engine is junk,but I don't think it is the best engine made either.As for the Aprilia,is it better than the Buell?most ppl would say yes,but it is all opinion.On the race track there seems to be alot of better bikes,but according to most,thats not what Buell is about.I have a Buell and really don't care what other ppl think,unlike alot of ppl on here.Sorry you have to justify your purchase of a Buell,I don't.Flame away and let the insults fly. (Message edited by thepup on April 06, 2006) | ||
| Buellfighter |
It's not that he didn't make any valid points, he did, but then he surrounded them with such nauseating hypocritical name calling drivel that you could barely make them out! | ||
| Spike |
Alright, I'll bite. (again) Where did he make valid points? Was it the bit about the Buell engine being Harley junk? When he said it only makes 60hp? When he said the 178mph XBRR couldn't even reach 161mph? When he said it was a tractor motor? When he said the Buell was cheap? When he said an XB couldn't keep an Aprilia in sight regardless of rider? When he said anyone with mechanical knowledge and a brain knows the Buell motor is junk? When he said the Buells can't qualify nor keep up with 600s on the track? When he said an XB12 is unstable at 130mph? When he said the XB desperately needs a steering damper? When he said the XBRR could never keep up with any liter bike? When he said that anyone not using MotoMan's break-in method was ignorant? When he said the XB motor wasn't designed in this century? When he said he could ride to the Buell's limits at age 16? When he said the XB12S is a beginner's bike? Really, I'm all for open and honest discussion if we can do it without the crazed ad hom attacks. Just pick one of the points he made and explain how it's valid. If no one can do that then let's just admit he's an angry troll with no facts and move on. | ||
| Vaneo1 |
{Im going to go out on a limb here and say that...ummm HE'S BACK!!!! Ccem= Buell69 (Message edited by vaneo1 on April 07, 2006) (Message edited by vaneo1 on April 07, 2006) | ||
| Grndskpr |
This is not a "My dick's bigger than your dick" contest! Thanks goodness, its embarassing to win that contest everytime, but such is life, and my burden to bear alone R | ||
| Buellistic |
IMHO "i" still rather have a BUELL MOTORCYCLE !!! | ||
| Spike |
I tried to let this one slide, but I just couldn't . . .
Show me where someone reacted poorly because someone else merely didn't like Buells or won't ride one. Ccemn1 got the reaction he did because he made claims with no truth to them at all for the sole purpose of arguing with others. Had he merely stated, "I don't like my Buell, I'm selling it because it's not fast enough and it shakes too much." he would have received a totally different response. Just for contrast, another infamous former badwebber suggested that the XBs short wheelbase allowed too much weight transfer and was unsuited for high HP race bikes. He also stated that the ZTL braking system was inferior to conventional dual disk brake systems. I disagree with both points, but they certainly are debatable. A shorter wheelbase will exaggerate weight transfer on a high horsepower bike. The single disk ZTL system lacks the outright power of a dual disk system. We're still humans on the internet, so a certain amount of flaming took place, but we also had a good debate. We have the tendency to be passionate to a fault about our Buells here, but your statement that we attack others merely for disagreeing just isn't true. | ||
| Mr_cuell |
To do a post-mortem, I initially antagonized him a bit for calling the motor junk, as if the motors' performance and engineering were beneath him. I took the bait and I shouldn't have, but it just made no sense to me to call one's own purchase junk, and profess that everyone else who is sane thinks so as well. Then he called me delusional for saying that on the street the bike was not the deciding factor. It went downhill quickly from there . . . I don't drink the cuell aid, I got myself in a bit of hot water last month for spouting off about the Daytona results. My crime is not being blindly devoted to Buell, its taking the bait of a troll. All of us who responded take some blame. Letting him punch air would have deflated the situation, but who am I to say that, as I could not resist - plus I guess you can't come into the Buell house and call it junk and not expect to get pummeled somewhat. He was lookin for it - | ||
| Blake |
This has to be the best troll ever in BadWeB history. Folks are still chewing the bait and the guy is gone. Anyone who doesn't understand why a suspension was deemed appropriate, please review the BadWeB terms of use. AS long as any new resistrant sticks to those terms of use, they are welcome here.  | ||
| Zxzer04 |
Put simply, come to my house call my bike some names. I am going to remind you whose house your in. If at that time you start mouthing off because you are angry I asked you not to talk that way, then I will ask you to leave. Then you start talking about my and my family, BETTER HOPE THAT APRILIA GOES FASTER THAN A 9MM. Isn't that just what happened here?  (Message edited by zxzer04 on April 07, 2006) | ||
| Spike |
Yeah, but we've moved on to chewing it with his fans. I'm still waiting for anyone in agreement with him to qualify any of the statements he made. Hiding behind the kool-aid claims just won't fly. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Hey Spike, I agree with you, but technically the xb motor was designed in the 20th century and we are now in the 21st. We need to strike that one from your list. | ||
| Zxzer04 |
Technically neither was 99.9% of all engines out there as it takes 5-10 years from design to production. And then most designs are just updates of previous designs like, say the XB engines. | ||
| Spike |
I have been caught!  I'd have to wonder though, are we using "designed" to mean when the design processed was started or when it was finished? If we say finished, he may still be wrong. We didn't get XBs till 2002.  | ||
| Bueller69 |
"I'm still waiting for anyone in agreement with him to qualify any of the statements he made. Hiding behind the kool-aid claims just won't fly." The Harley motor is 1940’s Tech, slightly upgraded thru the years. Any Harley mechanic will tell you that. The XBR, a race only bike makes 150 HP at the crank. Subtract about 14% of that to the wheel. Do you have any Idea what HP Matt Mladin’s Suzuki makes? Buells ARE relatively inexpensive. Especially relative to some Europeans, Ducati, MV Agusta, Etc. Buells have NOT done real well on the track against 600’s. If he weren’t so caustic, I think what he should have said was, if he had run time trials at Deals Gap on both his Buell and his Aprilia, he would have been a mile ahead at the finish when on the Italian bike as opposed to the Buell, which is probably pretty accurate, given performance Stats on both bikes. Not trying to stir the pot, just answering some of Spikes queries. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Oh boy, here we go again. BTW. Bueller69. I was kind enough to ask you what was up with your bike and have yet to get a response. | ||
| Spike |
By that standard, any current sportbike motor is 1960s tech, slightly upgraded through the years. If he truly meant it by that standard, he would be correct. However, the tone of his post made it sound like his Aprilia was cutting edge, negating the idea that he thought it was a ~40 year old design. If he does consider his RSV-R to be merely an updated ~40 year old design then I will concede to his statement about the Buell being a ~60 year old design.
I agree Mladin's bike outpowers the XBRR. Neither Ccemn1 nor I argued otherwise. If he had said current superbikes outpowered the XBRR he would have been correct. Please show me where he stated this.
With an MSRP of $10,995, his XB12S was within a couple hundred of the most expensive sportbikes from Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha or Kawasaki. Barring a few exotic European bikes, Buells are among the most expensive on the market. I almost bought a new Aprilia Falco for less than I paid for my 12R. While I feel they are a good value, Buells are far from cheap and the majority of riders likely consider them to be overpriced.
While that statement may be true overall, that is not what he stated. He stated that Buells can't keep up with 600s and can hardly qualify with them. Neither is true, Buells have qualified and finished ahead of 600s on the track. He is still wrong on that account.
That's certainly more plausible, but it's still debatable. Exploiting the full potential of a 140hp motorcycle to the extent to gain a 10% lead over a 90hp motorcycle on a road that has virtually zero straight sections is highly unlikely by any normal rider. To understand that sort of gap we have to work with real numbers. McWilliams' quickest lap during the Daytona 200 this year was a ~1:43 around the 2.95 mile course. In order to gain the 10% advantage, one would have to make it around the course in ~1:34 seconds - a full 4 seconds faster than Mladin could do it on his best lap in the superbike race this year. There are a ton of variables in that comparison, but basically it comes down to a professional rider on a full race spec superbike being unable to find a 10% gap over a professional rider on a full race spec Buell. One could argue that the gap between Mladin's superbike and an Aprilia RSV-R is closer than the gap between McWilliams' XBRR and a stock XB12S, but one could also argue that a street rider can get much closer to the limits of an XB12S than an RSV-R. In any case, if a professional can't do it, it's unlikely that Ccemn1 can do it.
Totally understandable. I'm glad we were able to salvage some good discussion out of this. | ||
| Zxzer04 |
First if we are measuring Horsepower at the crank, then the Buell XB12 has 103hp to the Aprilia's 138.72 hp on the 06'. Given the Shorter wheel base of the bolt, slightly lower weight, possibly better center of gravity and its smoother output of power and torque its no gimme that the Aprilia will win no matter what. (Message edited by zxzer04 on April 07, 2006) | ||
| Bueller69 |
"Oh boy, here we go again. BTW. Bueller69. I was kind enough to ask you what was up with your bike and have yet to get a response." Yes I think so. Seems like Spike just likes to argue? I sense Zxer04 as his next "victim"! Sorry Cat, I missed that question & can't seem to find it now? (Message edited by bueller69 on April 07, 2006) | ||
| Bueller69 |
OK Cat, I found it. Back to "the oil leak"! Mine was coming from the primary & a rectified it already. Thanks though. | ||
| Zxzer04 |
Sorry Cat, I missed that question & can't seem to find it now? Thats because you were still angry at being expelled and you were to busy trying to figure out payback. Still trying to sow dissension among the ranks? Problem is we all love our bikes, and one of the great things about Buell, that CCe....I mean Bueller69 or any other Troll hasn't figured out is: All Buells come with the Buell Brotherhood if you chose to accept the mission.  | ||
| Exitlandrew |
Seriously everyone. I have been watching this from the beginning, I think everyone has said their piece. Its quite obvious who Bueller69 is, do we really have to drag this out anymore? I like my bike, I cant attest to the horsepower in comparison to the Aprilia, but I enjoy my bike, Im sure thats the case for most of us. The point is this is an endless debate thats not getting anyone anywhere. I got dragged into it just like everyone else, its like a car wreck, you cant help but look. | ||
| Vaneo1 |
I dont think anyone here is taking it to heart. Yes this thread is a wreck but right now its seems to be the most popular one at the moment... WELCOME BACK THERE Ccemn1 shit... I mean Bueller69.  Sooooo, been kicked off of any boards lately? | ||
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| Bueller69 |
"All Buells come with the Buell Brotherhood if you chose to accept the mission." It's exactly that whole "brotherhood" thing that I can't relate and I'm opposed to. I have always been very secure and fiercely independent. In my rides AND my life! | ||
| Spike |
That's fine, you don't have to. While we're venting . . . it's your whole "dishonesty" thing I can't relate and I'm opposed to. As I said earlier, you're welcome to dislike the bikes. However, you can't spout nonsense about them and expect not to be refuted. | ||
| Eexb |
"I have always been very secure and fiercely independent" Therein lies your problem - the above can easily be taken as: "I have always been very biased and stubborn in all my views regarding any issues I don't agree with" !!! | ||
| Bueller69 |
"Dishonesty"? Spike, Eexb, You guys have some real issues! Maybe you should get away from the PC and go out & try and get laid a little more. Your frustration level is obvious. There's more to life out there than butting heads Online! | ||
| Eexb |
"There's more to life out there than butting heads Online!" Then why do you continue to take on anyone and everyone ??? You've got more "comebacks" here than other contributor to this thread. And please, don't start in on us about getting laid, I'll bet you're "fiercely" in love with yourself about that topic !!! |
