| Author | Message | ||
     Vaneo1 |
Theres a gas station near me that actually has 1 pump set aside for 101 octane fuel. I tried this fuel on my old 95 Honda CBR, but have never tried it on the 12R. What a difference, I noticed right away the engine seems to have better acceleration, and not sure how to say it but the throttle had a nice bit of tension on it even throught the higher RPM's. Second the engine itself ran smoother and aboslutely no pings, even will riding in traffic. Now I'm not speaking for everyone elses Buell nor am I recommending that 101 is the way to go. Especially at $5/gal...I just thought its was a nice experience to share. | ||
| Buellmonkey |
Vaneo, I live in L.A., too. Where's the station? I wanna try the 101 fuel on my XB9s. BuellMonkey | ||
| Vaneo1 |
wow you must live around me! Ive been to Glendale Buell a couple of times in fact thats were I did the test ride on the 12R. Anyway, the gas station is on VANOWEN and De SOTO. You can take the 405 south to the 101 West (Oxnard) and exit De Soto. Make a right turn so your heading north on Desoto and youll see the station on your left. Its white with blue trim and its called "Alliance Gas" Let me know how it goes when you try it.  ADAM | ||
| Xbman |
Try calling manning fuels. Manning Fuel 8407 Tujunga Ave Sun Valley, CA 91352 (818) 767-3835 My buddies family owns this and gets 101, and 111. I mix the 111 50 50 with the pump 91 and WOW what a difference on the inner legs that does. And power to boot. | ||
| Roc |
It should make no difference unless your bike needs the higher octane. | ||
| Vaneo1 |
what does the 111 go for an avg/gal? | ||
| Interex2050 |
http://www.osbornauto.com/racing/100locations.htm a good list of stations I tried the higher octane documented in "gasoline experiment (killing the ping)" part one and two No ping, but expensive. The acceleration seemed smoother, but less brutal with the high octane... | ||
| Gazoobla |
Roc is right. Octane retards the combustion, and therefore "pinging" that some engines might have. It is not a performance additive, but rather a product that makes pump gas work in higher compression (performance) engines. Too much octane is just a waste of money in this bike, and at some point has the opposite effect of what you're trying to achieve. | ||
| Buell_892 |
gazoobla that may be very well true, however these guys are just stating what happened for them and that it worked. There is no need to knock on them by telling them that nothing should happen, when in fact they did see a result. To each his own. alex | ||
| Bigsherm9r |
It's all in your head. Higher octane by itself doesn't increase performance. It's easy to see why there is the misunderstanding- gas companies have told us all our lives that higher octane equals higher performance. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I'm going to have to see some hard data before I agree that too high an octane rating for an engine not designed for it will actually hurt its performance. I read a Car and Driver article years ago that showed no differences in quarter mile times in cars that were run on 93 premium but were designed for 87 regular. They didn't get faster, but they didn't get slower either. | ||
| Max |
I don't get it why people think high test doesn't work.Maybe it in my head.I could swore that the high test fuels burn fast.Does mean the piston is push faster.Top fuel race car use high test fuel and faster burning fuels.I'm know mech but I think you get better performance with higher test fuels.My bike does perform better with higher test fuel.I thought it was in my head do to that people saying doesn't matter. | ||
| Vaneo1 |
Refer to the FIRST post and RE-READ! I am not going to turn this into a debate, nor am I going to scavenge the internet to find hard-proof. It was an enjoyable experience! Theres always got to be one in every thread.  (Message edited by vaneo1 on March 01, 2006) (Message edited by vaneo1 on March 01, 2006) | ||
| Doughnut |
Sorry, off topic, but a nice link to have. http://autos.msn.com/everyday/gasstations.aspx?zip=&src=Netx | ||
| Eat_a_duc |
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp_fuelprop.html This is another site that offers information on how fuel octane effects performance. Very interesting thread I always thought higher = better. More information pulled from coloradosportbikeclub.org they can list gas stations in the area that have high octane. | ||
| Diablobrian |
the reason these drag cars use higher octane is because of the higher compression ratios and super or turbo chargers (increase effective compression ratio). It is a means to the end, not the reason for the increased performance. Vaneo1 was trying to point you down the right road. Also remember race fuel is not the same thing as the high octane you get at a gas station or avgas pump. There are a lot of very volatile chemicals in it that would not be suited to vented storage. Just trying to help, not fan the flames. Your best caloric value per gallon (energy:volume) from a pump comes from the lowest octane that does not ping. | ||
| Gazoobla |
Alex, Word, bruthna. Not trying to ruffle anybody's feathers, just sharing my limited knowledge about octane. Is there any other additive in that racing fuel that gives better performance? Maybe. | ||
| Socalbueller |
Could it be that the 101 octane gas is a better QUALITY than the regular 91 pump gas? Maybe it has more energy per gallon. I am sure there is more to gasoline than octane points. Toluene and alcohol both have an octane rating over 100 but toluene has more energy per gallon. If a station was selling some 100 octane "race" gas labeled for off highway use, maybe they put something a little extra in it since it wouldn't be subject to regulation. | ||
| Diablobrian |
quality is the same. Octane is changed at the tank farm via additives. The additives are a very small percentage of the fuel as a whole. | ||
| Vaneo1 |
As they say..."ALL GOOD THINGS MUST COME TO AN END" Guys I have read the articles you have posted and a lot of it is very interesting. Just goes to show how much things are simplified for us at the pump as fuel is assigned a single number. Anyway, today I depleted my the last of the 101 octane I filled my tank up with a couple days ago. Before I refueled, I opened my throttle up on I-10 all the way in one fast twist...No Pinging. As soon as I refueled with a full tank of the Shell V-Power (91) [the fuel I usually use] I had the slight pinging come back when accelrating off of red lights. The engine will also ping when the throttle is opened up rapidly in the same manner mentioned above. As previously stated interesting articles on gas, but I have to go with what I saw and felt... | ||
| Pupu |
i had heard that high octane can make you engine run hotter? so if that is true, running more than you need might be a bad thing. | ||
| New12r |
High test fuel will burn slower, that is why the knocking and pinging go away, Octane ratings are there only to tell you its resistance to detonation, that is it. The higher compression the more octane. You may feel some increase in throttle response but no real performance gain in numbers. I put a mix of 105 and 93 on a hot azz summer day when the bike was pinging like crazy only to stop the pinging, I did feel the throttle response was much better but I did not get any improved acceleration or "performance" for that matter. I am not trying to p!$$ on anyones parade but high octane does not equal higher power. | ||
| Shea |
i had heard that high octane can make you engine run hotter? so if that is true, running more than you need might be a bad thing. No, the high octane should make your bike run cooler. The only reason I see to run it is if you are going to be on a track or running the bike extra hard, or even extreme temps, like over 100 degrees. | ||
| Shea |
BTW, it is my understanding that if you run too high of an octane for the wrong conditions, it can form deposits in the engine due to not burning hot enough. Is this true? (Message edited by shea on March 01, 2006) | ||
| New12r |
I do believe that to be true, you will not burn all of the fuel with too high of an octane. All gas leaves carbon deposits so if it is not burning it all it has to go somewhere. | ||
| Cmm213 |
My local oil company has a pump outside the office that they mix up with a few different mixtures from vp. It is lead free and comes out to be 95oct, it ran very good, my bike doesnt ping anyways but it ran very smooth. I will never put anything higher in it, as it does not need it. The only thing I have ever put race fuel in is my turbo talon I ran vpC16 blue on drag sessions when I turned up the boost to 21 psi. The only other think good about it is it smells good. |
