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Squish
Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am currently changing the rear tire on my 2009 1125R and noticed the rear pads are nearing end-of-life (about 70 thou thickness left; service manual states 40 thou as the limit). Anyway, the aftermarket pads I found available are the EBC HH pads for 36 bucks, which are the full metal high friction pad.

I like the fact that the rear brake is not powerful on the 1125R (it’s weak and designed to be that way), which I find better for going fast into and out of curves (trail braking). (I put the EBC HH front brake pads on my old ’94 Ninja 600; they added a lot of braking power, which is what the 600 needed.) The EBC HH pads would add braking power – would it be too much rear brake power? Anyone have experience with the EBC HH pads for the rear?

The local HD dealer has the stock Buell 1125R rear brake pads for 57 bucks, which seems steep. The EBC HH pads are lower cost (36 bucks). The most important thing is the control I get during trail braking into and out of turns.

Anyone have comments on rear brake pads for the 1125R?

Thanks,
John K.


(Message edited by squish on November 06, 2011)
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Jcjohnson33
Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the ebc hh pads on both ends of my 09 R. I like them. I'm not a racer and I've never been on a track but I do ride sprited alot to and from work. Depending on how hard you push on the rear pedal you can lock up the rear if you hit it hard I've done it on occasion when being cut off. But I usually always use my rear and front when stopping for a light or slowing for a turn. And I trail brake when taking high speed sweepers. But with that I do t know how but my rear rotor has now discolored and turned a pretty blue, gold, black, yellow and other various shades metal changes to when over heated. Also at low speeds I get a vibration noise, just the noise I don't feel it
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Squish
Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

jc - thanks for the info. I forgot about the noise - my Ninja 600 front brakes were noisy when not on the brakes with the EBC HH pads...more braking force (more friction), but they were a little noisy when not braking – a constant “friction” sound.

Anybody else have any comments about which rear pads are preferred for 1125 riders who like to trail brake into turns?

(Message edited by squish on November 05, 2011)
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Jcjohnson33
Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've never gotten noise while just riding it only does it sometimes when applying the rear at slower speeds not when slowing down from higher speeds
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Jdugger
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 07:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The oem pads come with the little wire spring, the EBC do not.

It's that spring that wears out first in my experience, not the pad, so we are stuck buying OEM pads...
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Zane_t
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

After I totally smoked the rear brake from a stuck master cylinder and replacing every rear brake component, the EBC HH were my choice for pads and for how little the rear brake actually works, the EBC pads are great for the street.
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Sprintst
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 09:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So do the stock springs get fitted to the EBC pads then, I presume?
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Zane_t
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, the stock springs go right on the EBC pads.
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Jdugger
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2011 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> So do the stock springs get fitted to the EBC pads then

Yes, but that part wears as much as the pads do, in my experience. So, a pad that does not include them borders on worthless.
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Thefleshrocket
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What spring are you talking about, Jdugger? I haven't had the 1125's rear pads off, but I don't ever recall seeing a rear spring on any bike's rear brake--especially not one that might be considered a wear item.

On topic, I am generally anti-EBC (as there are much better compounds available) but since there aren't many choices for the rear brake, I'll likely fit the EBC pads on my 1125. Probably before the pads themselves wear out since the stopping power of the stock pads is what I'd expect if their compound was made out of wood. Wet wood.

(Message edited by thefleshrocket on November 08, 2011)
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Sprintst
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The spring that retains the pad to the post in the caliper
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Jdugger
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 08:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Correct.
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Thefleshrocket
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 08:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And that spring is a wear item?!
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Jdugger
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> And that spring is a wear item?!

Yes. The spring holds the pad against a post on the caliper.

That post is a part of the caliper piston. It's made of Al, and that spring is made of steel.

Over time, the post wears a bit, and the spring becomes loose. It then rattles. That makes it increasingly brittle. And then, one day, it just breaks and you have a loose pad back there (no real danger, it just kind of drags along a little bit), and you replace an otherwise perfectly good rear pad with a brand new one because the retaining spring broke.

After a while, you replace the rear caliper, too.

Next time, I'll just replace the caliper with a Brembo unit so I have a better selection of pads and one that doesn't use that crappy mounting system on the OEM caliper/pads.

Basically, my rear brake is there for unloading the bike off the trailer and passing race tech. Every season and a half or so, I replace it because it's worn from just being shaken a fair bit ; )
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