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Tpoppa
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 12:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Helicon Engine was obviously engineered to be compact and lightweight. What is the overall weight of the Helicon, and what is the weight of the radiators w/coolant?

How does the total weight compare to the 984 & 1203?
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Diablobrian
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

well, it has been stated that the helicon is 70lbs lighter than the vrod motor, but it was unclear whether that was just the
motors, or the motor assembly with radiators coolant etc.
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Anonymous
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Total weight of engine with radiators and coolant is less than the 984/1200 engine.
Of course it does not require motor mounts and tie bars that the XB does. It also has the oil tank in it which means a lighter swingarm and no weight from hoses back to the swingarm/oil tank. The total weight of the motorcycle with all fluids except gasoline is 420 lb, so it is lighter than the XB. This despite the fact it has bigger brakes, bigger forks, bigger fairing, and weight in the damage protection part of the radiator and pod design. So it turned out pretty well.
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Jaimec
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting... so it's not a dry sump design? I assumed it would be to allow a "shorter" overall engine height. Does this engine share the engine oil with the transmission like in the competing bikes from Japan? Or does it continue to separate the two like the XB engines?
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Chadhargis
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From what I've read, it is a dry sump, but an oil tank resides in the engine case. I may be wrong though.

I'm happy to hear there is crash protection built in. That's awesome!
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45_degrees
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chad... you're right. It is a dry sump design, just the reservoir is carried on the engine itself.
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Jaimec
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 06:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting. I just assumed if the oil was contained in the engine it was automatically a wet sump. No reason at all why the reservoir can't be attached to the engine and it certainly follows the "Mass Centralization" part of the Trilogy of Tech, doesn't it?
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tranny and engine oil are one in the same.
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Garrett2
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so its just one oil opening for both? and they use the same?
what kind of oil is used? something special or what?
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