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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rossi is literally on fire this year.

Marquez is completely fearless.

Shame about Dani, I have a feeling he'll never get the big trophy.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2015 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Why would you open this message base AFTER the race and expect people NOT to be talking about it?




Referring to the Hayes comment as the MotoAmerica races are tape delayed.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2015 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

@Pwnzor OK we get it. Marquez is great.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2015 - 02:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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More proof that tracks with long straights produce crappy racing.

I couldn't disagree more. Various types of tracks throughout the season show us the versatility of the riders and their machines. Such as how the world champion can outpace machines with superior horsepower, even in the long straights.




Long straights exaggerate the difference in horsepower between machines, hence the bikes tend to get spread out--which is boring (at least in my book.)

It sure would be interesting to do an analysis on the MotoGP results and take say the average gap between the top 10 finishers. The look at the tracks with the longest straights and see if there is a correlation. I bet there is.

(Message edited by fresnobuell on April 16, 2015)
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2015 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Long straights accentuate the difference in horsepower between machines

Fixed that for you.

It's racing. The best and fastest win.
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Jaimec
Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2015 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The year that Rossi switched to Yamaha from Honda there was an interview with him in Cycle World. He pointed out that there is only ONE straight, but LOTS of turns. He and Jeremy tuned the bike for the turns, figuring they could make up the one straight there.

For the most part, it works. Look at the success he and Lorenzo have had over the years on the M1.
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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2015 - 07:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aleix Espargaro is on FIRE!! Will we see a SERIOUS upset this weekend??
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Saturday, April 18, 2015 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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It's racing. The best and fastest win.




I never disputed that fact. My point is certain tracks have tendencies for better/worse racing and the length of the straights have a large impact of the quality of said racing.

You have tracks like Assen (the WSBK boys are at Assen this weekend) and this track has a reputation for producing close, exciting racing. It's longest straight is 560 meters. I'd lump Laguna in with the tracks that produce great racing time and time again. It has no true straight.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Saturday, April 18, 2015 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll agree with you about Laguna Seca.

Personally I think it was the best track in the GP circuit.

oh, and...



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Pwnzor
Posted on Saturday, April 18, 2015 - 09:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Fresnobuell
Posted on Sunday, April 19, 2015 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Doctor takes the boy to school. Absolutely brilliant.

Not sure that contact was totally incidental, but did you really think they were going to take that race from the Doctor? LOL.
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Akbuell
Posted on Sunday, April 19, 2015 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Really interesting. A showcase of the mental/tactical side of racing. Who is your daddy now?

Watch it if it gets rebroadcast.
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Davegess
Posted on Sunday, April 19, 2015 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That was classic Rossi, push the guy in front so hard he makes a mistake. Marc could have run a little wider and attacked again but toss it away. Great race.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Sunday, April 19, 2015 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A really fantastic race for Rossi! It was amazing to see him come up from 8th place and then close the 4 second gap to pass Marquez.

I almost felt as if Marquez backed off his pace just to allow some competition, but in retrospect I think it was a poor tire choice that closed the gap.

Unfortunate incident there at the end, I'd have rather watched it with the two of them trading places back and forth.

My wife and I were watching it live on my tablet at Road Atlanta, waiting for the second Superstock race to get underway between rain squalls... I nearly put a hole in the steering wheel airbag of my van when Marquez crashed.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Sunday, April 19, 2015 - 06:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Unfortunate incident there at the end, I'd have rather watched it with the two of them trading places back and forth.




I don't think there was going to be any swapping of positions. The Doctor systematically reeled him in, passed him and was going to pull away quickly.

There was no evidence Marquez had any answer for the GOAT today.

Marquez made a huge mistake in not just settling for 2nd place.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Sunday, April 19, 2015 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Champions don't settle.

Rossi doesn't, didn't, and won't.

Neither did Marquez.

You have your opinion about how the race would have ended, and I have mine. That's fine.

There was no evidence Marquez had any answer for the GOAT today.

There's no evidence he didn't. Since he didn't finish the race, we'll never know about today's other possible outcomes.

I've said before and I'll say again that I'd love to see Rossi secure a 10th world title. Nobody feels good about a rider crashing.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Sunday, April 19, 2015 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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There's no evidence he didn't.




There was plenty of evidence. If Marquez had any kind of answer he would not have let Rossi get close enough to pass him. His pit board was showing that gap close lap after lap. The ONLY answer Marquez had was contact and he ended up body slammed because of it.


quote:

Champions don't settle.




Sure they do. Some days you are not the fastest and you collect whatever point you can on that day. I have seen Rossi do it plenty of times. Marquez no doubt learned a big lesson today--not only about championship management but that the paddock is ready to bite back.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Sunday, April 19, 2015 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

He had the answer.

Marc Marquez:
"It’s a shame what happened, because we were having a good race! It was interesting, because our tyre choice was different from Valentino’s as I felt we were not as competitive the harder compound. The strategy was working out well for us - it’s just a pity about the last two laps.
When I saw that he was closing in on me, I decided to conserve the tyres a little. On the final laps I went back to riding in the low 1'39s to check that the tyres were still in good shape, and knew that we would be fighting to the end. When he caught me, we fought for a few corners and unfortunately we touched and I crashed. I've always said that he's my idol and my reference, so you always learn things from him. Now we have to think about Jerez and begin to recover points."
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Sunday, April 19, 2015 - 07:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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When I saw that he was closing in on me, I decided to conserve the tyres a little. On the final laps I went back to riding in the low 1'39s




Rossi was the only one consistently riding in the low 1:39s at the end of that race. MM was in the high 1:39s, except for Lap 21 (1:39.370.) UNfortunately for him, the GOAT went 1:39.302 on that lap. : )

Here are the gap changes by lap between MM (leader) and VR (running in second place.) To me this is the story no matter what MM says after the fact. Awful lots of minuses...

Lap 11 -.352
Lap 12 -.006
Lap 13 -.061
Lap 14 -.314
Lap 15 -.366
Lap 16 -.311
Lap 17 +.034
Lap 18 -.813
Lap 19 -.311
Lap 20 -.778
Lap 21 -.068
Lap 22 -.753
Lap 23 -.270
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Jaimec
Posted on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 07:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Biaggi said it best: "In order to finish first, first you must finish." Good to see the kid is "human" after all and FINALLY paid for a mistake.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 07:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You guys really take the cake.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

You guys really take the cake.




C'mon. You have to expect some ribbing after all the Marquez love you share here!

It's still extremely early. MM has plenty of time to get back into the championship hunt.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rib away!

One side of my brain wants Marquez to win, and the other side wants Rossi to win.

Either way, it's going to be a great season. The old master and the young apprentice.

Two, always there are.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Either way, it's going to be a great season.




Agreed on that point!

Hopefully the new Stars Wars movie lives up to expectations! After the last three, holding my breath I'm not. We'll see.
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Wymaen
Posted on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

@ Fresno:

I'm sure you've seen this, but it bears watching, even if only to demonstrate classic confirmation bias RE: Episodes 1-3: )

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/star- wars-episode-1-the-phantom-menace/
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Wymaen
Posted on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

@ Jaimec:

I think you misspelled Yonny Hernandez: )



(Message edited by wymaen on April 20, 2015)

(Message edited by wymaen on April 20, 2015)
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Jaimec
Posted on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 06:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, May 01, 2015 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lorenzo's back on top in Jerez. Marquez, with a broken left pinky is third, with Aleix Espargaro separating the two.

The Doctor is concentrating on race setup (not speed) and is farther down the standings.

Pedrosa will not be racing this round.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Friday, May 01, 2015 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Practice... practice... let's see what happens in qualifying.
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