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Duggram
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why would you want Attack triple clamps on a racer?
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Sd26
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One is generally able to change the chassis geometry with them. Decrease the fork/stem offset to increase trail.
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Duggram
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is this something that a club racer should consider? I saw them on the Latus team's bikes. But they're running in places like Daytona where, I think, more rake is an advantage.
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Sd26
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Until you're running a couple seconds off their pace on a bigger track, no, not necessary for you. I've never found a need for any in the new production bikes that I raced over some years.

I might expect that they may be using them with a 190 rear tire that is taller that might be reducing trail so much that the riders don't like it...and that they don't want extra rake put into the bike by raising the front of the bike to increase trail. Might move the cg up and back too much. Lots of reasons to do it, but until you come to that reason...I'd recommend waiting and putting money into other areas of the chassis, tires, etc.
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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wot Dave ^ sed.

There is SO MUCH to adjust and change to get your basic setup working RIGHT... and then JUST when you swap tires, change race tracks, it all changes. Adding rake/trail to your front and rear ride height, front and rear compression and rebound damping, front/rear preload - not couple into this confusion the adjustments added by the Attack triples... dunno, in my poor, overworked brain, it'd be TOO much to add to the complications of PROPERLY sorting the handling.

I don't deal with confusion - and it's so easy for me to get overloaded with ALL the handling options afforded me. (and that's the XB)
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Imonabuss
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Attack triple clamps feature the ability to change offset, and as such, trail. But getting into such stuff early in your race career is a bad choice unless you have a top pro mechanic/tuner working for you.

Until you really know what you are doing, both technically and riding, these adjustments that the pros use can get you in really big trouble. You can make a bike so screwed up no one can ride it, or worse you can set up a bike that can technically malfunction.

For example, if you add more trail on a chassis with minimal tire to chassis clearance at full bump you can actually have the tire hit the front of the engine or frame with dire consequences. The pros get around that with steering head angle bearing cups to add angle when they add trail to gain chassis clearance.

And that adds even more confusion to set up. I have seen even pro riders screw themselves into corners with adjustments to the point where they finally go back to stock and go faster.

Early in your career you need to learn bike control, throttle, lines,braking, smoothness, suspension springs and damping, gearing, etc. There is so much you can do regarding setup that will make you faster and smarter, long before you spend money on trick parts. Better to spend money on track days and gas to burn!
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Rsh
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 05:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Another benefit of the Attack triples is they offer less flex and are not as prone to breakage as the stock triples are.
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Duggram
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 08:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the explainations. I can see the complications. I didn't understand why anyone would want to change their triple clamps to those billet Attacks. Not for me. I need to stick with the KISS method.
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