| Author | Message | ||
     Elvis |
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?artic le=31134 | ||
| Fast2win |
It should be interesting to see what levels of power that eng. is capable of superbikes I4's are probably over 200hp and the duc should be in the 180's or more. I hope Buell and rotax took that in consideration when they started the design so it 's capable of that type of power | ||
| Jimidan |
That is interesting. Does anyone know what the displacement rules for Canada Superbike are? | ||
| Fast2win |
Looks like they changed rules this year to allow 1200cc twins | ||
| Reepicheep |
A bunch of hungry and aggressive Wisconsin based elves, allied with a set of aggressive and hungry Austrian elvin allies? Supporting a serious and established racing team with serious riders? Don't know if they will win, but I bet its a great fight! Now if we could get something like a screaming eagle Synthetic oil sponsorship, very hands off, so that the guy changing the front tire during the pit stop will have had a comfortable sleep and a good breakfast before he hits the track, and so that "when in doubt" they have parts on hand and those few extra testing sessions needed to really wring out the details... | ||
| Elvis |
I think this is great! I've been hoping Buell would take a shot at AMA Superbike in 2009 or 2010, but I had trouble seeing how they could do that without making a big leap at some point. And without them making some kind of effort somewhere somehow to evaluate an 1125R against real competition, I began to worry that they might never jump to the AMA level. This should give them some idea what the bike can do with a great rider who knows the series and knows Buells. As for the regulations, I did a quick search and couldn't find out much, but it looked like at least as of 2007, the class was limited to 185 hp max. If a similar HP limit is still in place, they should have a shot. I'm expecting we'll see some bumps along the way, but every one of those bumps will be things they can address when they produce the AMA homologation bike.  | ||
| Benm2 |
I thought that the Canadian superbike series was hp limited? | ||
| Fast2win |
H D needs to open up that fat wallet and go road racing via buell. winning races will get the younger guy's paying attention | ||
| Diablobrian |
the hp showing at the dyno and the hp that is actually in use on the track can be vastly different. It happens in every hp limited class and the big boys leave nothing to chance. Wouldn't look good to the home office in Japan to have a shoe-string budget racer that has a knack for electrical engineering and tuning beat the big budget boys in a national series would it? | ||
| Elvis |
I thought that the Canadian superbike series was hp limited? I believe that's correct, and here's why I think this is an absolutely BRILLIANT move by Buell: The Canadian series (unless I'm mis-understanding or they've changed the rules) allows the team to make substantial changes to the engine as long as they stay under the HP limit. In AMA, they are allowed some modification, but there are limits, and realistically they would have to make an homologation model with expensive components to be able to compete. Assuming they are considering competing in AMA Superbike in 2009 or 2010 and they didn't start with something like this, they would have to be working on that homologation engine with only the feedback they can get from their dynos and track work . . . with limited real race experience. And then if they release that homologation bike and enter AMA Superbike and are not competitive, they're stuck with that basic design. If they work with Crevier and find, after the first race, that it's not cutting it, they can try some different components for race 2 and make additional adjustments race 3, etc. By the end of the series, the could have a real, race proven design that could then be integrated into an homologation bike with much less uncertainty regarding how it would actually work. And that's just the engine. They should also be able to use this experience to evaluate suspension, gearing, tires, etc. Not to mention they would then have an experienced team and hopefully the "other" rider they pick up might be a young guy with some potential who would be interested in getting into AMA down the road. Bottom line is there no better way to learn how to race than by racing, and this is a great first step for Buell to start learning how to race this bike. (Message edited by elvis on January 24, 2008) | ||
| Fast2win |
Sounds good to me. Maybe Pascal will come out and play too. Go Crevier. | ||
| Budc |
It is my understanding that Deeley will be getting engine support from Buell. Who knows what is waiting in the wings-180, 190+++. Good luck to Steve and the Deeley Team. The whole world will be watching-I know I will. Go Buell!! BudC | ||
| Smoke |
GOOD LUCK DEELEY, STEVE AND BUELL!!!!! we will all be rooting for you. tim | ||
| Blake |
I wonder what Jeremy McWilliams' plans are for this year? | ||
| Blake |
Go Deeley H-D/Buell! Go Pascal Picotte! Go Steve Crevier! GO Buell Racing!!!   I remember when Speed used to carry the CSBK races. Where if anywhere can we tune to watch them now? | ||
| Blake |
"As with all motorcycles in the Parts Canada Superbike Championship, the Buell 1125R will run on Pirelli spec tires. Pirelli is entering the third year of its deal to develop spec tires for the Canadian national series." Spec tires provide a level playing field. I've decided that I like spec tires rules. Not many racing fans are much interested in seeing tire brand be the deciding factor in a race. | ||
| Blake |
CSBK Rule Book | ||
| Rasta_dog |
Does Canadian Superbike get any TV coverage? | ||
| Buellishxx |
Yep, Canadian superbike gets coverage on one of our sports channels, unfortunately they do all the broadcasting in the fall after the series is over. The also offer the season on video. It's also filmed in HD! They also run the Canadian thunder class, which has changed it's rules to have 2 classes, the original air cooled, and now liquid cooled. This class is also hp governed. FYI, the people who put on Canadian superbike are also involved with the MotoST. They are really quite keen on the twins, and have made a lot of effort to get a national championship with the Thunder class. It might be hp limited, but the spool up factor on some of these bikes is amazing. Our track in Calgary is on the circuit, so we get a chance to race with the big boys every year. It appears that we will have 3 1125R's in our club racing, so there should be some good Buell action happening when the big show hits town. http://www.cdnsuperbike.com/ | ||
| Benm2 |
The rules say "unlimited displacement retaining stock bore & stroke." I guess no 1200cc Buells there. The rules also state 180whp measured at the end of the event. That's a pretty high bar for a twin, but they've got a better shot there than the AMA. The spec Pirelli's are nice too. Hope they do well! | ||
| Ebear |
Yeah Blake......where is Jeremy and WHATS HE DOING?????? Anyone know? | ||
| M1combat |
Well... We know he has a relationship with Buell... I would like to see McWilliams on the bike. That would be awesome. He has a good bit of experience with development too. | ||
| Jaimec |
So when is the first race of the season?? Unfortunately I probably won't be able to see it here in the States, but I can live vicariously through our Canadian brethren here... | ||
| Blake |
Eric, I don't know for sure what Jeremy is doing these days. I hope he's doing well. | ||
| Jscott |
Jeremy is probably making a good living being a tester... http://www.motorcycledaily.com/26february08_mcwill iamstests.htm | ||
| Elvis |
Jaime, Full schedule here: http://www.cdnsuperbike.com/index.php?option=com_c ontent&task=view&id=13&Itemid=26 The first race is the weekend of May 24 just outside of Ottawa. Most of the races are near the US border, and I think at least three of them are in Ontario. So, while you might have to drive 4-5 hours from New York, you could probably attend a couple races if you're interested. | ||
| Blake |
"Jeremy is probably making a good living being a tester... " No doubt. I heard nothing but praise for his talents in that regard from the folks at Buell who worked with him. | ||
| Jackbequick |
The race in May in Shubenacadie, Nova Scotia is about a 400 mile ride from Bangor, Maine. Shubenacadie is a little north of Halifax, NS. That race would be an interesting possibility for folks in the northeast. You could take The Cat high speed ferry out of Bar Harbor to Yarmouth, NS for an interesting variation. That would leave you with a nice scenic 225 mile jaunt up to the races. Jack | ||
| Jaimec |
I'm pissed at what the city of Portland did to the Scotia Prince Ferry. I much preferred that route to Nova Scotia. Portland was MUCH closer. It was more convenient to ride to Portland, have dinner on the waterfront, then roll aboard the Scotia Prince. Then, you checked into your cabin and went to sleep. When you woke up, you were in Nova Scotia! Nothing more convenient. The Scotia Prince also felt more like a cruise ship than a ferry. By comparison, the Cat is like a bus (we rode it the year it replaced the Blue Nose II). It's impossible to get to the Cat in a day, so you have to overnight in the city before boarding the thing so it ends up costing as much if not more than the Scotia Prince. I haven't been back up that way since. Maybe again someday. | ||
| Jackbequick |
The Cat is 5.5 hours from Portland and 3 hours from Bar Harbor with the departures at like 8 or 9 AM. But I also notice that The Cat does not start running until May 30th and that is too late to be used for the race. Jack |
