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Buellerxt
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have read a little about the rusting muffler problem, and as with other Uly problems I've read about, I'm impressed with the thoughtfulness and diligence of many. How about coating the muffler periodically with S-100 Corrosion Protectant? Has anyone tried that? I'm going to. I'll report back either way.
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Dfishman
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 06:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

S100 Engine Brightener works better.It resists heat.I live at the beach & my '06 muff still looks good.
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Jim_williams
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't want to know about your muff
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Etennuly
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 09:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Df, you seem to have exposed your muff to the abuse and amusement of BadWeB!


Go ahead.....lay it out there!
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Jphish
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

S100 does keep the muff soft and manageable. Good tip - I suppose one does have to remove the rust first though.
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Ejc
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has anyone tried KY jelly to decrust their old muff? Or is a virgin muff the only way to go?
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Johnboy777
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Etennuly
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm just going back to thinking about a muff on the beach.....thank you!
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Buellerxt
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Quote:Jphish:S100 does keep the muff soft and manageable. Good tip - I suppose one does have to remove the rust first though.Unquote

Jp,
This is only anecdotal, but an employee/enthusiast at my favorite country dealer, down on the Texas coast where corrosion is plentiful, told me that he sprayed S100 on an old rusty car engine, got the engine good and hot, and it removed a lot of the rust. I'm not sure of the heat, etc, but it sure wouldn't hurt to spray a pretty good dose on, go for a good ride, and see. I hope it works for you.

Several guys at that dealership who have seadoos, boats, bikes, etc., in that environment, swear by the Engine Brightener and Corrosion Protectant! Am I a sucker or what! lol Actually, I've used other S100 products for years and like them. As of this morning my muffler is coated! Luckily, before any rust had set in.

(Message edited by BuellerXT on November 12, 2009)

(Message edited by BuellerXT on November 12, 2009)
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Hooper
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Muff
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Dfishman
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I knew you guys would roll with that.Nothing worse than a rusty muff.
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Jphish
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buellerxt - yeah, I use the S100 plastic cleaner on my face shield - good stuff. I will try your suggestion since I plan to R&R the muff anyway, can't hurt. Then use it after new paint job to keep it "soft and manageable".
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Klcm54a
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Small college town can help you with the repair. See the link...

http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1917372
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Towpro
Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 07:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How about mounting a zinc anode on it?
The whole idea is they are sacrificial, the zinc rots before the rust starts.

It worked on old cars with zinc bumpers.

http://www.boatzincs.com/
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Chrisrogers3
Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 09:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There was a quite lengthy thread on this a few months back and we brought up the idea of a sacrifical anode and galvanic corrosion.

The biggest thing you can do to help your muffler is put an anti-corrossion compound of choice at the brackets where your muffler mounts up (and around the clamps). The key is so that you dont have the direct contact of dissimilar metals.

Its of course not a solve all, but it does help considerably in slowing down the electron flow path.
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Andymnelson
Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Nothing worse than a rusty muff." 'cept a crusty muff.
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Jphish
Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chris - any suggestions on anticorrossion compounds of my choice ??
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Dio
Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PPG Commercial coatings has a new product out called ECK - Electrolysis Corrosion Kontrol. Supposed to be tolerant of temps to 1000 degrees. Have no personal experience with it yet, but hope to soon.
https://buyat.ppg.com/refinishProductCatalog/ViewP roduct.aspx?ProductID=59653e18-9b00-4183-9198-288f 5f0821ad
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Chrisrogers3
Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jphish-The USMC uses a compound called ultra Tef-Gel. The vehicles that this compound is used on has has a 24 year corrosion protection plan. Now obviously there is a lot more that goes into that plan than just the tef-gel BUT the stuff still works.

The stuff is EXPENSIVE, but I know it works first hand. I just looked it up on the net and its like 12 bucks for 1/4 oz. Really even if you use anti-seize its still a lot better than nothing.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 08:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So if you were going to pull the rusty muffler off and recoat it with something . . what's the consensus?
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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My high-temperature Duplicolor repaint is still holding up well after ~3.5 months.
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Pso
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just put some stuff on from ACE Hrdwr. It is sort of jell like and is called BBQ grill paint w/rust inhibitor. Good for 1000F it says. Will see how it works over the next year. Sponge brush worked well.
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Chrisrogers3
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court-if I was going to do it the right way I would spend the money and get the pipe ceramic coated, then put the tef gel at all the mounting points.....But because I dont have 300 bucks to justify spending I am just going to media blast mine, put some high temp black paint on it and throw some anti-seize on the mating surfaces.
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Odie
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DupliColor DH 1602 High Heat Black. Works great.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 to what Odie said. I think the trick is to cure it as much as possible before putting it on the bike. If your oven or grill is big enough, use that. If not, do like I did and use a heat gun.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Perfect.

Thanks.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've found that hi-temp paint cures best if applied to a hot surface...so heat up the muffler before and during application to help the bonding process.

Just remember - if using a gas grill...turn the gas OFF before spraying the paint.

DAMHIK.
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Cyclonedon
Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 12:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

send it to Jet Hot and have them coat it for you. Have the headers done at the same time too!
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Cyclonedon
Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 12:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

forgot to ad the link for Jet-Hot.

http://www.jet-hot.com/
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Bobbuell1961
Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 07:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pete at grandstand ceramic coated my headers +muffler then put a high temp powdercoat on the muff to prevent chipping.
I have about 3k since and i still looks great.
thanks again Pete,Bob
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Court
Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like the Grandstand option . . . and they are a chip shot away from me . . . . I'm trying to convince myself it's time to start tearing into the winter bike projects.
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Bobbuell1961
Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the muffler is dirty, but no signs of rust

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Bobbuell1961
Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i was hoping my new sticker would show

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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court - I have a spare stock Uly muffler if you want to avoid downtime...coat one, mount it on your bike, and get the ugly one back to me eventually. Lord knows I could care less about surface finishes on my Uly - most times, you can't even SEE the surfaces under all the grime LOL.
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