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Dr_greg
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, when I finally got access to the rear plug hole, its threads are badly damaged; the spark plug will slide into the hole.

So it looks like Heli-Coil (or the equivalent) time. I'll start removing the rear head.

At least the Mechanical Engineering Department at my university just hired a new prototype machinist (who's an ex-dirtbike racer!) and he'll help me out if needed.

Sigh. Can't imagine why it happened. I'm very careful with the rear plug; use plastic tubing to screw it in most of the way, then tighten. Oh well, looks like my camping trip next Thurs-Sat is in jeopardy...

This is the first failure I've had in 54K miles that upsets me. Not very happy right now. My Uly evangelism may take a hit.
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Xbimmer
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry about the timing, but at least you'll know the job will be done right.

You might check into Teeps' suggestion about Time-serts, I was on their site this a.m. and I'm sold over helicoiling in the future. http://www.timesert.com/

Good luck, keep us informed!
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Rwven
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dr Greg,

You might want to check the front one also, it has had the plug replaced the same number of times as the rear. Did you use anti-sieze compound on the plugs when you replaced them? Or is that even a good idea?
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Rotorhead
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I saw these http://www.frozenhorsepower.com/cgi-bin/technology .aspx?TypeId=mc while on a trip up at a shop in Williams AZ. Sales man was doing the sales thing but maybe with the "ease" of getting to our rear plug a higher quality plug may be in order? Anyone hear of these or if they work better or worth the money?
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Thetable
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 11:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would have to seriously consider key-locking inserts before I even thought about helicoils or anything of the like. The Key locking inserts are pricey, but they are the only thing I know of that is permanent.
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Monday, October 13, 2008 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sooooo, was the failure gradual or catastrophic? Just curious and adding to my personal knowledge.
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Mikef5000
Posted on Monday, October 13, 2008 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Catastrophic, the thing just popped out!
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Dr_greg
Posted on Monday, October 13, 2008 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's for sure. Absolutely no warning of any kind. One second fine, the next second BAP-BAP-BAP and no power. Just like that.

I've always taken great care threading the rear plug, so I'm more than a little ticked off. Plus I had a camping trip scheduled for Thurs-Sat (our Fall Break - otherwise I never have time off in the fall).

Oh, well, glad it didn't happen in the boonies.

I've got the rear head off; I'll probably do a thread repair on both heads just for the heck of it. Not a happy camper (um, no pun intended, I think).
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Etennuly
Posted on Monday, October 13, 2008 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Something I have been wondering about the plugs and head. There are plugs out there that are of the same heat ranges and of the same type, only they are of a larger diameter.

What about drilling and tapping to a larger thread size(after finding the right plug first, of course)?
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Red_chili
Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 10:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did you use anti-sieze compound on the plugs when you replaced them? Or is that even a good idea?
That is ALWAYS a good idea when threading steel into aluminum.
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