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Archive through August 09, 2006Brucelee30 08-09-06  09:34 am
         

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Court
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They're EVERYWHERE !



Ulysses in Gotham
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Roadrailer
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The sound of the fan bites and we all know it.

You don't speak for everyone. Some of us aren't bothered in the least by the fan noise. A bike is a machine, machines make noises, some different than others. What's the big deal?

If someone asks me about it, I tell them. If they think it's weird, who cares? I'm not trying to impress anyone with my bike purchase.
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Whodom
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think this problem will eventually work itself out for those riders that think the fan noise IS a problem.

The complaints about fan noise seem to indicate these Uly riders are riding regularly without hearing protection. Since the wind noise by itself in the vast majority of helmets is enough to cause permanent hearing loss, in a year or two they'll notice their fans seem to be getting quieter until they no longer bother them.

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Aeholton
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have to mute my XM satellite radio to hear if it is on.

Seriously though, I bought the right side scoop to help the fan, so it may last longer. I've had one fan fail. Also it's been a hot summer here in FL, I figure every little bit helps.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think this problem will eventually work itself out for those riders that think the fan noise IS a problem.

The complaints about fan noise seem to indicate these Uly riders are riding regularly without hearing protection. Since the wind noise by itself in the vast majority of helmets is enough to cause permanent hearing loss, in a year or two they'll notice their fans seem to be getting quieter until they no longer bother them.


Agreed. I can't ride more than a few minutes without getting tinnitus. I can't imagine riding all the time without ear plugs. I don't hear the fan most of the time.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Same here, or should I say hear? : )

I ride with earplugs (industrial strength) except when I go on a short ride less than 20 or 30 minutes.

I find that riding with earplugs cuts down on the fatigue too. Go figure?
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Whodom
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yea, I'm kind of big on the issue.

First time I had my hearing professionally checked (when I was 22) I found out I already had ~40% high frequency hearing loss. (OH! THAT'S what that constant ringing in my ears is!) My Dad was a heavy equipment operator and when I was a kid I spent a lot of Saturdays at work with him, usually standing fairly close to the International UD-14 diesel engine in the Koehring 305 dragline he operated. I shudder to think what the dB level was; neither one of us knew any better back then.

Anyway, the audiologist about freaked and read me the riot act about taking care of the hearing I have left. I haven't always done the best job of that, but I always wear ear plugs when riding. I don't know how people can stand to ride without them- helmet wind noise drives me nuts.
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Brad1445
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brucelee

The sound of the fan bites and we all know it.

____________

With three possible exceptions.

1. Deafness - Some higher pitched tones are not audible to older people.
2. Low expectations. Some may have never hear other bike fans to compare with and figure that's the way fans sound.
3. Emotion, Brand loyalty fearing that speaking ill may bring bad luck on the manufacture when in fact its just the fan making people question the quality of construction.

No one cares that the fan runs, those of us not in the above categories prefer something better. That does not make us disloyal.
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Roadrailer
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



Brad you forgot one:

4. People who simply don't give a rat's ass about the noises a fan makes.

Some of us have good hearing, high expectations for the performance of their motorcycle, and a willingness to find fault in a bike or brand when we actually find fault with it. We just don't see the big deal when it comes to the fan noise.
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Bosh
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 01:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wonder if the hairdryer lovers would be disappointed if the fan was quiet and still did its job?
I wonder if they had a choice.... would they pick the shreeking loud fan over a quiet efficient one?
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Roadrailer
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wonder if the hairdryer lovers would be disappointed if the fan was quiet and still did its job?
I wonder if they had a choice.... would they pick the shreeking loud fan over a quiet efficient one?




Good grief. Of course I wouldn't be "disappointed" if it were quieter, but I certainly wouldn't pay a dime more for a quieter fan or spend hundreds of dollars for some aftermarket solution.

It's not complicated. Some folks simply aren't bothered by the fan.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't get it either. It don't think anything about the fan running.

My Goldwing is liquid cooled and when the radiator fans kick on (both of them!), they make noise. Wooo-hooo, who cares?

My car has a fan too. It makes noise.

I don't use a hair dryer...those are for women. LOL! : )
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Whodom
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can understand people objecting to the fan noise and wanting to do something about it. What I can't imagine is that this would be a "deal breaker" for anyone considering buying this bike.
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Bosh
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I can understand people objecting to the fan noise and wanting to do something about it."

Bingo, I think that's all anyone wants. Haven't heard of anyone selling their bike because of the fan noise.

"What I can't imagine is that this would be a "deal breaker" for anyone considering buying this bike."

I agree 100%.... however It has cost Buell some sales. There are folks that are trying to decide between several excellent bikes. The details could make or break the sale.

Gotta go.... Riding up the coast today!!
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Madduck
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know two people who bought other bikes because of the fan noise, one is now on an 18,000 BMW GS and the other is on a ktm 950 adventure. Both werre intensely interested in Buell, when I rode up to let em test ride they both thought I was playing some sort of practical joke.

Neither thought they would ride around on a hairdryer. Those of us that live in the country really find loud noises objectionable. In the city I can hardly hear the fan running, so it has something to do with ambient noise levels.
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Roadrailer
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



Those of us that live in the country really find loud noises objectionable. In the city I can hardly hear the fan running, so it has something to do with ambient noise levels.




Holy crap!! What an over-generalization!!!!

Guys, this is amazingly simple stuff. It doesn't have to do with ambient noise, or where you live, or your level of hearing, or your expectations, or the time of the sunrise in Kalamazoo, MI. SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT BOTHERED BY THE FAN NOISE. No excuse for it, they just don't take issue with it. I know it's a hard concept to grasp for some of you, but there it is.
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Aeholton
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT BOTHERED BY THE FAN NOISE. No excuse for it, they just don't take issue with it.

Agreed. They just seem to take issue with folks bothered by fan noise.
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Roadrailer
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For the record, I have no issue with folks who dislike the fan noise. I have an issue with the folks who are determined to tell me why I'm not bothered by it.

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Court
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>In the city I can hardly hear the fan running,

Paul:

You must come visit. Are you trying to tell me that a Ulysses has some sort of a fan on it?

Court


what fan? . . I said WHAT FAN???
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Madduck
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,

I will be 56 years old in Sept. Until this may I had never been in LA and hadn't flown in over 12 years. One of these days I will be in New York, Haven't eaten out of a dumpster since my college days in 1974 tho, so I am a little shakey on the etiquette. A little despondent today, been getting calls from Bonneville, hard to believe the friends that develop and we've only met three times at speed week.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Paul:

Heck....if you want to see NYC, come at New York and see ALL your friends.....we'll have at least 4 from Holland, 2 (maybe 4) from Australia, about 4 Western States, with special guests from Malibu and Portland!

It's not to late to enter the 1st Annual TEAM ELVES Rockefeller Center Ice Skating competition!

: )
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Madduck
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,

Thanks for the offer, but I expect to be spoiling a new generation of Elliotts over christmas. It soulds like 8 of the tikes will be home and about half of them stay with me. Why any parent would leave children in my care is beyond me. Altho I have never actually broken one yet. Nothing beats managing a small herd of nieces and nephews at Christmas.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>Why any parent would leave children in my care is beyond me.

Want me to write you a letter of reference?

: )

It's be a dandy!
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't use a hair dryer...those are for women. LOL!

Or for people with hair.
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Chris02
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 01:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You mean to tell me that strange whine I hear after a few miles is a fan. Wow...all this time I thought it was the turbocharger. Honestly though, with earplugs and the race can I can hardly hear it.
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250bultaco
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 06:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I find the fan sort of charming.
It's a bit like when a puppy whines to come back and play some more as you walk away. My bike's doing the same thing.
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Brad1445
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 08:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

and this babe is hot!

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Dave
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FAn noise?
If it's grinding itself to pieces thats one thing. But if you just don't like the sound.... C'mon that's character.

DAve

Well if you ride a horse do you complain that it has tall legs? Maybe it's time for a my lil pony.
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Brad1445
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A few times I have had the extreme grinding sound, but for the most part I get a fairly high pitched scream sound when compared to the Fans on my other bikes.

let me demonstrate

A normal fan noise
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The Buell fan noise
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Response to people that hear the v twin =

Response to people that hear the screetch =

someone here mentioned it being more prevalent for people in the country, there is some truth to that as I took it out yesterday through soft rolling grassy hills with trees and horses and a bubbling river alongside for miles, it was so peaceful, until
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

a true story
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Dave
Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 08:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hahahaha Now that was funny shiet. : )

"...extreme grinding" ... isn't that an Olympic sport now?

DAve
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Galloper
Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've got a new fan under warranty today

New bolts for the sidestand didn't come in yet but they will call me when they do.

(Message edited by Galloper on August 12, 2006)
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Bloochdog
Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I kinda like the fan noise.. it drowns out the spark knock....
I also gives you a chance to whip out a witty retort.. when somebody asks if your bike is still running.. right up there with.. "hey buddy ya got a head light out"
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