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Swampy
Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2011 - 12:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, after my last ride today, I am sure I am going to have to change the rocker box gaskets out...it's a good time to do this..winter is almost here.

Do I have to remove the stock muffler to accomplish the engine rotation?
If the muffler has to be removed does the rear straps have to be replaced along with the front strap?
Anything else I need to know or parts to have to make this go well?
Thanks
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Swampy
Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2011 - 01:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh Yeah...does the front engine isolator have to be removed from the head?

I have replaced dozens of the "Do Not Remove" bracket bolts from Blasts when they break and I have determined that the reason they break is because the holes in the head become too large due to the bolts being replaced too much and the fix is to heli-coil them, none the less does the Uly front engine support have to be removed from the head or can the rocker box gaskets be done with the bracket only removed from the frame?
Thanks
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Pontlee77
Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2011 - 03:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No need to remove exhaust, just find a jack to hold the engine while you release all the nuts & bolts (remember to release the clutch cable also) and when all is loose just let the jack go down slowly and it will be ready to get to the job.
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Swampy
Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2011 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks,
Now what about the front isolator bolts?
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Djohnk
Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2011 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know if it's bad forum to link to other Buell website but this is what I used to rotate my engine down and replace the upper and lower rocker gaskets on my '07 Uly:

http://www.buellxb.com/Buell-XB-Forum/Do-It-Yourse lf-Buell-Mods/How-to-Rotate-your-engine--With-Pics

It worked great ... wasn't exactly the same (If I remember right you really have to watch the wiring and oil lines when you drop the engine down, I think I removed that rear muffler bracket completely.)
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Hughlysses
Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2011 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No, you don't have to remove the front isolator. Just take the long bolt out that holds it to the frame.

I'm not sure you can get adequate room to rotate the engine without removing the muffler. It may hit the rear wheel before the front of the engine is low enough. The manual calls for removing it.
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Griffmeister
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, stock muffler on an '08 should be removed first. If it hasn't been off before then you just need to replace the front clamp, rears can be reused. I would also recommend getting the header to muffler clamp and front muffler bracket support bolt. They go back together much easier when they're new.
Should have a manual, lots of little odds and ends to take care of when rotating engine plus torque specs.
Have some extra support for the frame. My bike wanted to move around as I was lowering the engine. Hung it from the ceiling so it couldn't fall over.
If you're close to a service, this is the best time to change spark plugs. Only chance you'll ever have to actually see and touch them on the engine.
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Swampy
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a couple of extra muffler straps...I planned ahead...but I don't have the clamp, think I need it?
Also, what plugs are everybody having the best results from?
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Hughlysses
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm still using the original clamp after 3 or 4 muffler removals with no problem. The front strap I replace every time.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reuse the clamp, it will be fine.
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Swampy
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2011 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I did the engine rotation and replaced the rear rocker box gaskets without removing the muffler.

I accomplished this by lifting the rear of the bike and supporting the rear axle by way of a 1/2 socket extinsions slid into each end of the tube and supported by jack stands on either sides.

This was done after removing the idler pulley.

It looked like the rocker cover gasket was leaking not the rocker box gasket but hey, what the heck, while I am in there....

I got the new rocker set that include flat washers for the rocker cover bolts, the washers are smaller outside diameter and have a rubber/silicone? coating along the inside diameter of the washer.

So the next question is....do the larger flatwashers that come with the engine stay inplace with the new smaller washer with the sealer in the center OD, or do the old flat washers get removed?

Thanks
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Djohnk
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I removed them and carefully scraped off the residue before putting on the new washers.
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