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Wbrisett
Posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My '07 Uly is in the shop getting the 10K service done, I was able to "test drive" an '09 X Uly so I could get back to work. I was immediately struck by how much smoother the bike was through the power band. Even lugging the bike through a school zone, it didn't stumble like my '07 does. Makes me really wonder how much better the fuel maps are on the new models. They promised me they would make sure I had the latest map on mine when I pick it up, but I'm not sure this is all the story on why it seems to better handle the throttle.

Otherwise, the bike felt pretty much the same, but the smoothness of the throttle really stuck out. I can only hope that after the 10K service my '07 Uly comes closer to this '09.

Wayne
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The 08+ bikes are much smoother, from several things including the new DDFI3.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wayne- Another change is the 08+ bikes have a different "ramp" on the throttle shaft pulley to provide a more gradual throttle opening at low speed. That may account for much of what you noticed.
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Portero72
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 01:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wayne-


I noticed similar results going from the 06 to the 09. My 06 never stumbled, but took a few thousand miles to find a balance with itself. The 09 was buttah out of the box. On the flip side, the 06 was beastlier, in a good way-it just felt more rowdy.

BTW-where are u having service done?
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Wbrisett
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 06:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mark - It's really weird. It behaves so much better than my bike ever did. I always knew it handled differently than my BMW, but since I hadn't ridden another Ulysses, I had no idea how much better the throttle balance was.

Having the work done at central texas. I was surprised at quickly they agreed to let me take a bike back to work. Called them before 5 PM and they said the bike wouldn't be done until tomorrow (today), so I got to ride the '09 home and keep it overnight.

I'm just amazed at how smoothly the bike responds to the throttle. They did some amazing things in my opinion to make it behave like this. Of course, now I have to give it back. : (

Wayne
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 07:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Of course, now I have to give it back

but now you want one...... I think that was the plan....
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Ulykan
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wayne,
Not to be nosey but how much do they charge for a 10K? Here in Wichita, Ks my dealer wants $550. Did you get a price off of the service ticket?

(Message edited by Ulykan on February 05, 2009)
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Jlnance
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Of course, now I have to give it back.

I'm sure they would be happy to discuss you keeping it.
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Wbrisett
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ulykan - I guess I'll find out today when I pick it up. The only good news is, I prepaid for the services last year, so it's already paid for. They do give me an invoice with the amount on it, I just don't have to pay.

I'm sure they would be happy to discuss you keeping it.

I'm absolutely sure they would!... however, my pocketbook isn't willing to even discuss it. Heck, I have one bike I'm already trying to sell because I bought a newer year model, I don't need two bike where I'm doing the same thing.

Wayne
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Ulykan
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks, Wayne. I wonder too if they charge different prices for 06/07 models since there is supposedly less maintenance on the newer models. I'm no where near 10k yet but I need to set aside the $$ ahead so that I'll have it. Look forward to your update.
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Portero72
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wayne-


10k is a good deal of miles. I would have expected your 07 to smooth out by now. My 06 found it's happy place before that, and continued to improve. Having said that, the 09 IS a marked improvement. At least mine is. Maybe one of the local Buellers has ECMSPY and can do a hot tps reset for you. I hear that makes a difference. Good luck. Cheers from Dubai.
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Wbrisett
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mark:

Picked up my bike, not sure what they did, but it's like a whole new bike. My '07 feels more like the '09 now that it was serviced. I have no clue if they did anything to the fuel maps, but it is much better behaved and handles the throttle changes sooo much better. I'm really glad I had to take it in for a service.

The only thing that seems odd to me is the clutch. Seems like I have to really reach for it and the point at which it engages is quite far out now. I might have to pull out the book and see if I can make my own adjustment to the clutch. It doesn't engage nearly close enough to the bar for me now.

Wayne

(Message edited by wbrisett on February 05, 2009)
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Dr_greg
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

The only thing that seems odd to me is the clutch. Seems like I have to really reach for it and the point at which it engages is quite far out now.




I like it closer to the bar also. There are two adjustments: (1) at the cable adjuster (front of the bike) and (2) at the clutch itself. You may have to use both.

--Doc
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Svh
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine is the same way. Only the first 1/2" to 3/4" is clutch friction zone. The rest of the way to the bar is nothing. Been that way from the factory and I hope to adjust it better with my service manual when it is no longer sub freezing out.
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They might of adjusted the cables during the service. You can undo it to your incorrect setting : )
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Ulykan
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wayne, what was the total price on your service?
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Wbrisett
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

UlyKan - Sadly I can't tell you. The receipt I got only had the parts subtotal, not the total for the bill. Again, since I prepaid, it's all accounting for them at that point. For just the parts they used, it was $89.61, but that probably doesn't help you out much. Sorry.

Wayne
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 08:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

10k service is normally around $500-600. Most of it is labor, they dealer gets I believe 4 hours to change the fork oil.
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Ulykan
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is changing the fork oil that labor intensive? I mean 4 hours is a LONG time.

Thanks, Froggy.
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Portero72
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wayne-

Good to hear things went well on the 10k. I'm betting whomever did the service just had a better touch or more experience, or the foresight to do the reset hot.

+1 on Dr Greg said-you can adjust the clutch if you like. Mine is adjusted 'far from the bar'. I prefer that, though. See what you can do.
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Tootal
Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Look right in front of the motor below the wire bracket that usually breaks, and you will see the cable adjuster. Slide the rubber out of the way and break the lock nut and turn the adjuster in a little till you get it where you want it and tighten the lock nut again. Pull the rubber back over and use a small wire tie on the top of the rubber to keep water out.
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