| Author | Message | ||
     Rocketman |
Hey . . . if ya'll are still dukin' it out . . I think we went too far, and all but killed this thread  Rocket | ||
| Lightstick |
What do you mean we? Have you got a mouse in your pocket? | ||
| Ducxl |
Who's this "Lightstick" character anyway? NEWB!! Hey,we've got quite the local Buell group here in New England. Check out under the "Stormfronts" section the "NEBO" thread.And say hello | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Individual Choice Behavior; Discreet Choice Modeling and Analysis. THAT is funny. There are a few 97E's here that could teach that class ;) | ||
| Reepicheep |
That cryptography class sounds great! Key management is a royal pain in the ass... | ||
| Jackbequick |
Hey Lightstick, That name, Rancid Veeblefester, it that on the level? Jack | ||
| Mikexlr650 |
so how do we get rocket to attend mbv? would be some great bon-fire stories! | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
for anybody that hasnt read this yet ... http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?Ar ticleID=5256&Page=1 | ||
| Rocketman |
so how do we get rocket to attend mbv? Are they looking for a tutor?  Rocket | ||
| Lightstick |
You should bring your good handling British "Boss Hoss" (would that be a Boss Tweed?) and show everybody what a good handling bike is like to ride on the Dragon. | ||
| Ducxl |
You see Rocket..you really DO (myself included) have ardent friends here.I'd love the opportunity to ride/w Rocket. Boss Tweed was NEVER the mayor of New York. He just thought he was,as a member of "Tammany Hall"..The Tammany Hall boys! Cool group | ||
| Rex |
rocket. post a photo of your bike...rex | ||
| Rex |
rocket. there is a guy in northern cal that is building a special bike, using a v6 chrysler motor. it is called the black momba. I saw a cool boss hoss at laughlin one year....really cool. they had striped off all of the bike tanks, etc. and had put normal gas tanks, seat, etc on the bike. looked really cool, and slim. not the tank you see stock. the exhaust was on the side and was upswept. everytime he would twist the throttle my helmet would move the exhaust was so powerful....looked cool. personally I like the new honda flat six sport bike, in mock up form. REX | ||
| Rocketman |
Rocket, there you go again. Straight from the horse's mouth and you dispute it. There is a very straightforward translation for your phase above-"Erik is lying" Que? I disputed nothing of the sort. Nor have I called anyone a liar. But did anyone get the measurements out of him? I bet they're(the measurements) not a new design, and keep the chassis geometry very tight to that of the XB's. And Dave, if you're going to insult and accuse me consider, not only is your spelling questionable, so is your ability to read the written word and understand it. In the radio interview Erik makes no mention of the 1125 frame geometry, but he does say he gave his designers specific interface points, engine V angle, and cylinder placement parameters. That the frame is entirely new is not disputed. That it is an XB type frame is pretty obvious. What isn't obvious are those interface points Erik talked of, and my argument has always been that they are very close, if not identical, to those of the XB. Yes the wheelbase is longer, and the rake less steep, but I'd wager if the XB frame and the 1125 frame were laid over each other on a computer screen, there'd be a lot of similarities physically and geometrically that one could see. And that is why the 1125 has styling constraints brought about by necessity to place heat exchangers without interfering further with the frames physical length, and overall wheelbase anymore than necessary. What bugs me about this whole argument is you guys don't know why you're arguing . You appear to be saying, Rocket thinks Buell haven't put enough effort into the 1125 because the frame is the same as an XB. Rocket isn't saying that. Rocket is saying, if the frame is an entirely new design, despite it mimicking the XB frame if in nothing else but looks, why did Buell design the appearance of the 1125 to have controversially styled side pods? Could it be that staying close to the XB's proven geometry, they had little choice? I have no problem what so ever with the engine, frame, performance, handling, whatever. My problem is wondering why the 1125 is ugly, and I'm pretty certain I've been answering my own question for several weeks. Why admitting I'm right in my assumptions is impossible for some to do is absolutely ludicrous. Even more ludicrous is that some would rather fight me than understand the styling behind the pods. My comments aren't a stab at Buell. They're not a put down of what a fine sports motorcycle the 1125 no doubt is. They were only ever intended to find out the reasoning behind such a controversial style on a motorcycle. Controversial only because one would think Buell with a proven track record of stunning designs in their repertoire, would have done something much more appealing to the eyes. I'd like to see the 19 year old sketches of the concept bike Erik had in mind. I'd wager it didn't have side pods. I'd further wager side pods came about because the XB geometry proved to work and Buell wanted to retain it at all costs. Hence side pods. No doubt the book will prove me correct? I'm pretty sure Erik would agree with me too. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Rex, the V8 thread is here in the trash can where someone put it...... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=272911&post=896609#POST896609 Rocket | ||
| Glitch |
so how do we get rocket to attend mbv? Sean has an open invitation to come to the Great South East. Room and board are included. If it happens he can make it to the States during March Badness, he's more than welcome to rip the roads up with the 3%ers. | ||
| Rocketman |
Room and board are included. Will take more than that Glitch............  Rocket | ||
| Metalstorm |
Well Geeze Louise Rocket, When you put it like that, what you're saying is actually very digestible. First off I must plead laziness. I have not read all the posts but I'm guessing you have most likely stated the contents of that last post in much the same way a few times previously. Anyway, From that last post I have a much better idea of what you're talking about. As much as I love the way the 1125R looks just as it is, I have no problem keeping my mind open to your design theory. It is possible. You may very well be right. Unfortunately the only ones who know with absolute surety arn't talking. You got me curious. The answer to this riddle would in no way effect how I feel about the 1125R in it's current incarnation but I am definitely curious  | ||
| Rocketman |
You may very well be right. Unfortunately the only ones who know with absolute surety arn't talking. I am right, and that's the only reason they're flaming and not talking. If it were anyone else, provided they asked in a sucky way, they'd be singing like birds. Rocket | ||
| Cityxslicker |
You supply girls booze and food, I will bring lawyers guns and money... | ||
| Davegess |
Rocket, I have no dimensions and no way to get them short of asking a friend to violate a confidence and I won't do that. Erik tells me, and the world, that it is a new frame and you say he is wrong. He is either not telling the truth or he does not know what he is talking about. You are calling him either a liar or a fool. You think Buell is blowing smoke than you need to prove it. They have stated their case clearly and often. They are not going to reveal proprietary information over the internet. that would be foolish. If Honda wants those dimensions let them buy a bike and measure it. Why should Buell give it away for free? | ||
| Rocketman |
Erik tells me, and the world, that it is a new frame and you say he is wrong. AND I SAY DESPITE IT BEING NEW I BET ITS DIMENSIONS ARE LOYAL TO THE XB DIMENSIONS How the f*ck is that calling anyone a liar or a fool? And why the f*ck would Honda, or anyone else , want those dimensions other than to prove what I said. No one is interested. No one has a frame concept anywhere near comparable, or a use for one. How about you showing that 19 year old sketch you've no doubt got in the book? Remember the ugly pod scenario? Prove me wrong. I dare ya. I double dare ya. Rocket (Message edited by rocketman on January 17, 2008) | ||
| Metalstorm |
You "may" be right. You can not say with absolute certainty that you are. Well, actually yes, you can say it but it will not be a truly accurate statement until the knowledge that we seek is released upon us. I am open to the idea of you being right. I prefer to be steel rather than iron. Both are strong and steadfast but steel will always bend before it breaks where as iron will break before it ever bends. I see no need to bend just yet. You have made a most excellent case but until those in the real honest to god know spill the beans, it remains to be seen. If ever we learn that you are truly correct I will give you congrats and a virtual slap on the back for a job well done. If you are wrong I will say you put in a remarkable effort and have displayed great persistence with valor and leave it at that. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
ugh enough already. Everybody just agree to go RIDE.  (I am squishing your heads... squish, squish) | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Why do you people continue to feed this P.O.S.? | ||
| Court |
>>>If Honda wants those dimensions let them buy a bike and measure it. Too late. They already have one in Torrance, CA. | ||
| Rocketman |
Why do you people continue to feed this P.O.S.? Maybe they recognise my many talents  Rocket | ||
| Socoken |
Sean, I think that if you listen to Erik's interview in the other thread, he nearly answers your questions. He states his idea for the split radiators and the fuel in the frame from 19 years ago. He talks about the legendary reputation for handling the XB chassis earned, and how the all new frame in the 1125R is based on things they learned from the XB. He also talks a lot about using as few parts as possible while using as many multi-purpose pieces. So, while you and others think the pods are ugly, they accomplish everything they should. They are functional for air flow and cooling, provide some protection for the rider, serve as frame sliders, and offer a unique styling accent while allowing the bike to retain a semi-naked look. So, while some may dislike the looks of them, many do indeed like them. I dont think they are an afterthought or a bandaid on the XB frame he was forced to use, but rather the best way to accomplish his goals in this bike. The only other way to accomplish what he set out to, and satisfy your visual requirements or tastes, is through superficial cosmetic fairing design alterations. Please realize that those are subjective goals and taste requirements. While the pods might not be of your taste, rest assured they are some one elses. In answering your own question of why you think its so ugly, you answered it when you asked it. You think its ugly. Your question is already answered by the very premise you used to ask it. I dont think there is any technical or logical information that can sway your point of view, other than what he stated in that interview. He accomplished what he wanted to, HIS way, and you dont like the pods. No one can talk you out of your opinion, and no amount of design parameters or chassis geometry or layout will change your opinion of its cosmetics. I feel that the bike is his brain child from 19 years ago, bringing with it fuel in the frame and split, side mounted radiators. The pods are a very effective way of accomplishing his goals, and I think they look pretty cool. But thats just my opinion | ||
| Lightstick |
"Maybe they recognise my many talents " Who else can take something so positive and make it look so negative? | ||
| Rocketman |
Maybe I missed the part where Erik said the split radiator idea was inbred with his 19 year old concept? I'd really like to see that 19 year old sketch, and Dave, nor Court come to it, are fessing up to its inclusion in the 'book'. Could be that they haven't included it, or it shows a concept bike some claim is 19 years from sketch to production, but had no pods to start with. Will we ever know. Either way, no one is keen to post it up here. I smell a rat. As for the looks. It's feasible to philosophise about them anyway we choose, but like I said from get go, we all recognise a style icon the instant we see it. Given the split decision on the 1125 looks that we witness on a dedicated Buell forum, clearly the 1125 whilst appearing attractive to some, can't be considered a style icon. Most everyone has to like whatever it is if such merit can be bestowed upon it. Such isn't happening for the 1125. Rocket (Message edited by rocketman on January 18, 2008) |
