| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous |
Ya, Buelltroll, zero FX races won, kinda the same situation as Suzuki, Kawasaki, Ducati, etc. So buy an R6 or a CBR600RR, those must be da very best. Nothing else will do for the discerning pro like you. | ||
| Rsh |
Kawasaki won the 2007 Daytona 200 Formula Xtreme race. In fact they were 1st and 2nd. (Message edited by rsh on May 21, 2007) | ||
| Anonymous |
Yeah, but that was after all the Hondas broke. So it's the exception that proves that Hondas and Yamahas rule. If that's your criteria, since everything else about Buell is "blah, blah". | ||
| Davegess |
working meaning winning or working meaning selling Meaning both, the GP Ducati is winning and Ducati bike sales are up quite a bit. Everyone talks about the Ducati HP advantage, I wonder how much of the top speed is down to the aerodynamics of the body? | ||
| Rsh |
Anony, If Buell would have won the Daytona 200 because the top factory or factory supported entries performed poorly or broke there would be pandemonium in the world of Buell. In racing a win is a win. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
the american street fighter....that was the choice buell made for a bike..a sales pitch, a way of seperating their bikes from the pack....a streetfighter by defenition is a stripped down, high horsepower, agile, machine modified for battle on the means streets of wherever....maybe some of us just want the rest of the package....we all bought our buells for different reason but the common thread seems to be we want a little more oof...i dont want my buell to be a gixxer zixxer or cbrixxer...i want that mean lookin bastard child to run like it looks and sounds..i want a freakin vmax killer and busa beatin asphalt eatin bitch...my rumor is buell is going to shock the world theyve done it before ive grown to love my buell like an frisky ex girlfriend  ....i want a bike that when u put the spurs to her she makes people run for cover....a bitchin supermoto would be nice too  . | ||
| Treadmarks |
mmmmm Buell Supermoto...  | ||
| Cgocifer |
I'm with ya Molly! I love the Buell, but it would be nice to be able to have it perform like it looks and shut up those repli-racers. On the other hand, if it was that good, everyone would have one. It too would become a cookie-cutter to some extent. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I say never get rid of the XB lump line, just build a newer line in addition. The XB's are like the air cooled Ducs, just cooler, IMNHO. BMW and Ducati have done well keeping air cooled twins in the linup, while also putting out more high performance models. | ||
| Jackelfox |
ahh, how i loved frisky ex-girlfriends.... | ||
| Barker |
Dirt bike: They are working on a 250, and maybe others "Dirt" is still a couple of years away. Fast Bike: I like my XB9R, right now its not running, long story. If I dont see something amazing this july, I will be getting one of these:   | ||
| Jaimec |
Actually, BMW discontinued their "Airhead" line over a decade ago... :-( | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
wow that katoom thing looks sweet....my opinion on this whole thing is....the tiger needs teeth..the emporor needs clothes...the bitch needs a bad attitude...i dont really give to freakin figs if buell builds a repli racer i think thats a bad way to go....i had an R-1 if u wanted a racer id buy another...i just got off my best friends new 07 GSXR 750 and il tell ya what other than it bein a little uncomfortable thats a damn nice machine...a tire smokin bitch....i dunno bout the rest of ya'll but i bought my 9R brand new with the race kit and all the dealer charges it was 10,000 $$$$ out the door ....now i dont want a repli-racer but i want my buell to perform just like everybody elses bike that paid what i paid....a 750 gixxer out the door isnt more than a couple hun more than my buell was but i just watched one walk away from me on the freeway...i paid 10 grand i want ten g's worth of performance in a mean ass street fightin pavment hungry beast....that aint askin too much..for all of u that keep telling me to go buy a jap bike cause u can eatem up in the corners well i dont want a jap bike i want my moenys worth and if having no power is ok with u then u wont mind riding a gs500 or a ninja 250 will ya....u can flame me all day long ive been ridin my whole freakin life i know how to corner well enough to get by il never be a pro or as good as some of u think u are....i just want a little more power...i feel like ive brought a rock to a knife fight sometimes...it has nothing to do with wanting to be a boy racer or being jealous of my friends i love my bike....id love it a lot more if when i twisted the throttle hard it stung the crap outta whatever was in front of it...insead of everybody laughin when i catch up at the next gas station....ive known the guys i ride with for 15 years they know it aint me or my skills leavin me behind and il tell ya what the buell handles nice..but the new jap bikes dont exactly slouch in that dept either....puttin the spurs to that new gixxer was a hoot and it handled like it was on rails...i dont think il be takin him out in any corners anytime soon...so u can dispute what ive said now and in the past ...buell dosnt need a repli-racer ...it needs a street fighter that lives up to its name. | ||
| Spike |
See, this is the mentality I don't get. You say you don't want a repli-racer, but then you go on to say that you want repli-racer performance at a repli-racer price. From the outside, it sure sounds like you want a repli-racer. Here's the thing that is somehow overlooked numerous times: NO ONE matches the Japanese I4 on the price/performance ratio. No one. If you want GSXR performance at the GSXR price, your options are as follows; 1. Buy a GSXR 2. Buy a CBR 3. Buy a YZF 4. Buy a ZX 5. Buy something else, then complain about it on the internet (<--- popular choice) | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
well either ur a doofas or u just cant read...whatever.... trying to make a point here is like beatin urself in the head with a hammer....its just like reading the bible everybody is just going to twist what is said to fit their point of view and try to make whatever their argument is valid...i think im going to be a lurker ...il just read everybody elses opinions that are right and keep my wrong ones to myself...ive given away hundreds of dollars worth of gear to people on this forum because i belive in my bike i belive in buell and i like most of the people that post here....but damn some of ya'll are dicks. | ||
| Buellishxx |
We have a new race class this year that allows all twins, sort of an unlimited class. A local Ducati shop has built a Canadian thunder class (air /oil cooled)sport classic with "only" 102 rwhp. This machine is a rocket. It spools up almost as fast as an inline, and with the rider they have, is competitive in superbike. Though they aren't too keen to talk about the build, it's basically a motor that has been designed to spool up quickly using lightweight internals. On Sunday they ran 5 races, 3 of them in a row. Placed 2'nd in both superbike and middle weight superbike (600's), and won the other 3 more relative classes. (Let me note that the rider is superb). The ability of this bike to hang with the inlines on our 1/2 mile straight was impressive. My point? I think the air /oil cooled motor is still the way to go, it just needs an update. Some sort of overhead cam with lightweight internals etc. Give us something that can rev to 10k or so. Of course keep it simple and cheap to run as well, oh and bring the price of the bike down too! We can only hope (and wait). | ||
| Bueaddicted |
Molly_hatchet, I'm with you!  | ||
| Spatten1 |
+1 | ||
| Spike |
It's kinda hard to sit back and get called a "doofas" and a "dick" from someone who bought an XB knowing it was an XB only to later complain that the XB isn't a GSXR. Today I had a roast beef sandwich from Arby's for lunch. It would be foolish to go on a lunch-eaters message board and complain that my roast beef sandwich from Arby's didn't taste like a chicken sandwich from Chick-fil-a. It would be especially foolish if I had a bite of my buddy's chicken sandwich from Chick-fil-a and I got frustrated that it tasted better than my roast beef sandwich for the same price, and then complained about my experience on a lunch-eaters message board. If I had wanted to taste a chicken sandwich for lunch, I could have just as easily gone to Chick-fil-a. Even if I really believed in Arby's and really liked the people that ate there, it would still be really odd to continually eat Arby's and complain that it isn't Chick-fil-a. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Yes Spike, none of us should express what we would like to see in our next Buell. We should just keep quiet and buy another brand for our next bike. One would think the opinion of a Buell rider would matter on a Buell board. Especially that of someone that just tried a competitor's bike and has an actual point of reference fresh in his mind. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
if i paid 10 grand for arbys for one it had better be the best frickin sammitch i ever ate , and for two it should taste just as good as my buddies chic-fil-a (whatever the hell that is) . im sure in real life ur neither a doofas or a dick....but well if the badweb boot fits. | ||
| Spatten1 |
This board is the only way that I know of to reach Buell employees with our opinions. That said, I think it makes sense to be honest about what we would like Buell to build if we are to remain a loyal customer. | ||
| Spike |
I never said any such thing. What I said was that it didn't make sense to buy and XB and complain that it isn't a GSXR, or state that Buell should build a bike that offers repli-racer performance for a repli-racer price, without it being a repli-racer (a feat that no manufacturer on the planet has been able to achieve). | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
FZ1,Z1000 ,VTR1000F super hawk,919,s2r1000 duc, bandit 1250.... | ||
| Spike |
Here's the thing- I want Buell to build a better performing bike as much as the next guy. I really do. I hope the next generation to come from Buell flat out knocks my socks off. I hope the motor is so impressive that even the most jaded and cynical moto-journalists out there can't stop raving about it. However, I know that there is no magic bullet here. Nothing matches a high-rpm, multi-cylinder engine for power/displacement, and the Japanese are masters of that craft. If Buell keeps building twins, they'll never make the peak power of an I4 or V4 of the same displacement. Ducati is the absolute leader in high horsepower V-twins right now, and even they need an extra 100cc and an extra ~$5k to build a bike that's even close to a Japanese I4 for power output. Even then, the 1098 is still a solid 10-15hp away from the peak power of a current Japanese literbike. I couldn't be further from doubting the abilities of the engineers at Buell, but expecting them to build a bike that isn't a repli-racer and yet offers repli-racer horsepower at a repli-racer price would be nothing short of a miracle, and to discredit them for not doing so already is simply foolish. | ||
| Blake |
The name calling and insults need to cease. Very bad form there Brian (Molly H.).  It seems that some folks only want to express their own opinion and not suffer those of others. Well, if one feels like expressing an opinion on a discussion board, one had darn well be prepared to accept or at least respect the critical opinions of others. To complain that one may not express one's opinion absent the expression by others of any contrary view is ridiculous. Good grief! Back on topic... I agree with those who recognize that Buell is not now nor will ever likely be looking to compete in the "most HP per dollar" market dominated by Japan Inc. For that market you have exactly four choices of manufacturer from which to choose, and to complain that Buell isn't one of them seems awfully silly to me. (Message edited by blake on May 21, 2007) | ||
| Blake |
Brian (Molly H.), "sorry blake didnt mean to offend u but am i wrong that the XBRR runs with much smaller bikes...it was my impression that they we running a 1200 cc machine with 600 cc bikes....we may love our buells but watching a gp race with friends its a little goofy to have someone ask why a big ole buell is runnin with all dem little bikes....but hey flame me smore..." No offense taken whatsoever and no flaming intended in return either. Maybe you should ask your friends why they put so much emphasis on displacement while ignoring all the other major factors affecting engine performance. Factors like bore to stroke ratio (rev limit), number of cylinders, number of valves, number of intake runners and throttle bodies, complexity of cooling system and valvetrain etc... The idea is to educate the ignorant, to deprogram the unwitting pledges in the "HP/cc is everything" cult. And to answer your question, the XBRR is smaller than the 600cc machines in FX against which it competes, at least in terms of wheelbase. (Message edited by blake on May 21, 2007) | ||
| Spatten1 |
The "most HP per dollar" game would certainly be a losing endeavor for Buell. I say that Buell can learn from Triumph's mistakes and successes. Triumph is moving retro bikes and niche performers. Buell can move XBs and niche performers without beating the company to death fighting the Japanese big four. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
my problem lays in the fact that someone chastises me for my opinion without trying in the least to understand what i was trying to say...i accept other peoples different opinions everyday i dont accept someone trying to tear me apart for stating what i was thinking...a spade is a spade and always will be..im not going tp pussyfoot around the bush and try to sneak in the fact that im calling someone an idiot....he was bein a dick....sure maybe it was bad form..been lots of that in these kind of threads...again im goin back to being a lurker but i have a hard time leaving well enough alone...i never said i want a repli-racer...i said i want a little more oof....i remember gear bangin thought the mountains on the R-1 i like my low end grunt....i also very much like gettin bit in the ass when i spike the juice....my point was for the money i spent id like smore yeehaw....point is moot after july anyways..when the announcement comes then il make my decision as to what im gonna buy...the 9 stays in the stable no matter what....i feel like ive been beat up trying to give a point of view....so i guess all the people that have engineering backgrounds and all the backyard marketing gurus and bench racers are the only ones with valid points...where im from the whole engineering of the buell dosent really matter to anyone...we twist the throttle and see what happens...putting all ur faith in a talking head can get u stuff like bein mired down in a quagmire of a war or something....for myself and everybody that i know that rides we follow the proof is in the pudding rule....everybody digs riding my bike no matter what they own and i like ridin theirs....when u pull the trigger u want an explosion....thats not to much to ask for a bike that cost around the same as other machines in the same class....do i want my money back for my 9....noooo ....am i expecting the next big thing to rock...yaaaaa...am i ever gonna post anything other than what i do in the ran section..noooooo....i have a hard time accepting the fact that letting my thoughts of my buell and what i think it needs and how it compares to other bikes is gettin me slammed then i get put on time out cause someone is being a jerk...in the immortal words of hunter s thompson "i hate to advocate drugs, alcohol,violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me" | ||
| Asym50 |
I'm with you Barker. You seen the "Venom" version of the RC8? Any guess on what the KTMs will cost? |
