I know that EBR said they would build there product range from the top down, but what if the ax is actually a 1600cc hyper bike designed to just destroy everything. I know its a crazy concept but just imagine a 1600cc bike by EBR making 300hp and 250 ft/lb of torque and sounding damn good while doing it. I understand there is almost 0 chance this will be the case, So i want to know what everyone here thinks that the ax will be.
Hughlysses, that would be awesome. If I were a betting man, I would bet within the next 2 years most motorcycle sales (other than HD) will be "hastur" style bikes or bikes that are 600-900cc neutral body position streetfighter/scoot'n-around bikes; these bikes are becoming very popular....or maybe they're just becoming more accepted.
While I realize EBR is all about racing, and I also prefer an "R" style bike for myself...
Erik and team developed the most bad@ss streetfighters EVER just a handful of years ago. It would be great to see them push back to the forefront of the hooligan crowd.
The 1190SX, while I'm sure it's a great motorcycle, leaves a lot to be desired in the streetfighter category. It's just a sportbike without a fairing, it doesn't look like something that's going to kick your ass.
My "Kick Ash" XB9XS was the most awesome factory streetfighter EVER.
It would also be nice to see some bikes that made more bottom end torque than high-end HP. Pushrods do have their virtues for street-oriented machines.
You really need to take an 1190 SX out for a demo ride. It's a very impressive motorcycle. And maybe it'll help to change people's ideas about what a badass bike should look like. Or are you saying that it's more important to look like a badass bike than to be one?
My point is, the styling of the SX doesn't appeal to everyone. Many here have commented that they don't like it. To me, the SX looks it's wearing plastic body armor from a scifi movie.
It would be nice to reincorporate some of the things that so many people loved about XB lightnings. The minimal tail section, simple yet proportional fly screen, and headlight setup (all streetfighter in nature) were aesthetically pleasing to a lot of people.
There are very few streetfighters whose style appeals to everyone. KTM super duke 1290 is pretty ugly IHMO. I'd consider an 1125CR a streetfighter (with the high bars) and it was considered pretty ugly by many (not me - I have one).
Point being, being universally aesthetically appealing isn't really a criteria for a streetfighter, I don't think...
That makes no sense at all. the Aztek was long out of production when GM shut down Pontiac as part of the Government bail out of General motors. They also closed Hummer and Saturn at the same time. Guess the Aztek killed them too?
The Aztec was a great concept, but bean counters ruined it by time it became the Aztek.
I'm looking into it, but I do not believe the Aztek lost any money for the company, given how much they were able to cheap out on them with basically taking the Pontiac Montana minivan and replacing the sliding doors with hinged doors. They shared the antiquated chassis, engine, transmission and most other major parts. If it stuck closer to the concept model both in look and functionality it could of easily been a smash hit instead of the ugly flop.
Not sure how this thread migrated to Azteks, but I read an article a couple of years ago that said the Aztek (unexpectedly) had the highest owner loyalty of any vehicle GM had ever made. I think this was based on a higher percentage of original owners still owning their Azteks than any other model.
If you can get past the looks, perhaps they don't suck so bad?
My friend had one in TX and smashed it up in the rain on the highway. She sent pics and they clearly showed shiny smooth bald tires. I guess you don't think of tires if there's no snow to get stuck in?
I read an article a couple of years ago that said the Aztek (unexpectedly) had the highest owner loyalty of any vehicle GM had ever made. I think this was based on a higher percentage of original owners still owning their Azteks than any other model. They were so ugly they had no choice but to keep them, no one would buy it.
I haven't seen a Pontiac Aztek for some time, but is the concept in the video the exact same styling as the real production version? Seems to me the concept was nicer looking. I recall the Aztek being way more angular and odd looking, where the concept in the video looks like it had a touch more "sporty" to it.
isn't the aztek a stereotype of every "crossover"? Crossovers are a compromise. They look like a minivan, handle like a goofy sedan, offer none of the towing of a full-sized pickup with virtually no ground clearance, and get somewhat OK fuel mileage. The perfect solution for a watered down culture of blue collared people who want to think they're white collared.
Motorcycles aren't meant to be a compromise. Especially anything on the forefront of the single track performance industry.
Not everything has to be a race machine. If racing was the only goal, we'd only stick to RS/RX/R??? designs.
But if we're building a street-dedicated machine, let's make it truly street dedicated. It doesn't have to look like a half-race, half-alien machine. Make it look like a street motorcycle. Make it perform like a street motorcycle. That means less top end, more bottom end torque. That means a more cushy seat (which the XBS platforms were well suited to).
I'm currently spending a little time in SE asia... besides the LED's, the 1190SX headlight/flyscreen/alienbreastbodyarmor doesn't look too far removed from the small displacement metric bikes here (which top out around 40 KPH). So, make the 1190SX look like it is what it is. A single track machine that wants to revolutionize the way that Americans perceive American street machines. This can be accomplished with no compromises on function over form.