| Author | Message | ||
     Mikey85 |
Are you ready for this? My dad for some reason does not like buell and said that a good running stock 77 cb750 would blow the doors off my 2000 S3. Just thought I would share that with everyone. Post any comments on the subject. | ||
| Tom_b  |
Tell your dad to put up some greenbacks or shut up. I have a 79 Honda 750CB C. It won't keep up with a Buell, mine or anyone elses. | ||
| M1combat  |
I had an '82 CB 750F-SS a while back but owned that and my 12R at the same time. It had a Kerker 4 into 1 and had been jetted. I don't think the Honda would have a chance unless it was a long straight road. I don't think it would have a chance on a short straight road. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Tell him that I said, "I'm your Huckleberry." | ||
| Newfie_buell  |
So what does your Dad think about the frame flex in that thing???????? A good friend of mine has one and that damm thing flexes so much I sometimes wonder how far out of alignment the front and rear wheels are. He does eventually catch up to me on the long straights though. | ||
| Court |
That is an inaccurate statement. Beyond the "straight line" father-son silliness, just think if you happen, during this chicanery, to come upon a curve. Your Father will be left with but memories of his "long lost son". Make a cup of coffee for him when you get home. He'll be along in a while and thank you for the coffee and the lesson. Give him a week to recover before you start showing him the early XB MO article and the article from London Britan United Kingdom England about how the Buell bested the "super steriodians" on a "real" course. You can cure him. If you need help, call. | ||
| Mikey85 |
Like I told him how can 58hp and 38tq keep up with 90hp and 85tq. But he just won't listen | ||
| Smitty808  |
Ok....how about the next step!! I work at a Honda dealer...where everyone is quick to jump on the "let's make fun of the Buell" bandwagon. We recently did the carbs on an old CB(yeah...the 6 cylinder!) One of the salesman came back, and spouted off that it would be the perfect thing to blow off my S1. I told him to grab $100 and lets go!! Whaddya' think?? Straight line for 1 mile....could he catch me?? If so I will insist we go up the offramp, and finish the mile up that way  , 'cause I know that 7 ft long thing will never make that uphill 90 at over 100!! | ||
| Sportsman |
Your Dad has memories of the rockets of their time and has secummed to the both ways uphill syndrome. I had a new 75 XS650 and was invinceable too, till I bought one again in 02 on a nostalgia lark. If it went 1/2as fast I'd remembered I would have been happy, but the suprise was it doesn't stop. | ||
| Mikey85 |
Here is the funny thing, he has never even rode one(cb) | ||
| Doughnut  |
Buy him one, then show him why he should get a Buell. | ||
| Tom_b |
Top end on my Honda in good running condition was about 105. I can cruise on my buell at 100 and still have power. The old Honda handled like crap too. I still have it but is being customed out. | ||
| Mikey85 |
I have read that the top speed on the honda is 120. I have had my buell at 135. A little bit of a difference there. And no way in he** is it going to take the big V-twin off the line. | ||
| Spike  |
Since a clean '77 CB is only worth about $500 you should buy him one just to prove your point. I did some searching and dug up an article on the '77 CB750. Short of chaining the S3 to a dump truck, the Honda doesn't stand a chance. According to this test the honda produced a whopping 60.1hp and ran the 1320 in a scorchin' 12.74 seconds at 105mph. That puts the lively CB just two tenths ahead of a Victory V92 cruiser. Compare that to Motorcyclist's numbers for the '99 S3 listing a meager 90.1hp and the 1/4 in an insipid 11.9 seconds at 113mph. Unless dynos read 50% higher and the 1/4 mile has gotten shorter over the last 25 years, the Honda loses. If he really believes otherwise you might want to consider future motorcycle conversations with him for entertainment only. Don't feel too bad though, my dad didn't really get it either. Mike L. '04 XB12R | ||
| M2nc |
I have both a Buell and a 96 CB750 Nighthawk. I will keep up on the Nighthawk up to around 80mph, then the Buell walks away. At full throttle, the time between the gears is about the same between the two bikes. The difference is the M2 is at 100mph at top of third, versus the Nighthawk which is at 85mph at top of of third. After third it's all over but the crying. The Honda gets to 115mph, top of fourth, then slowly walks up to just over 120mph indicated. The M2 is strong to 125mph then continues to pull in Fifth to over 130mph. Torque is another story. I feel like I have to whip the Honda to make it hustle. The M2, being the Torque Monster of all Buells (flatter torque curve than all but XB12, then comparable), is little to no effort to make go. Be careful though, a CB750 is still an I-4. My Honda dealer promises me that for little money, he can up HP on the Nighthawk from 62rwhp, to 100rwph. Not hard to believe considering a GIXXER 750 has 140hp at the Crank. | ||
| Loki  |
Ahhh, the days of flogging my 81 XS650. Scarry thinking now how bad the front end floated at 105 indicated. | ||
| Captainkirk  |
Maybe he was thinking of the Blast!  | ||
| M2nc |
If you are going to compare a CB750 to a Buell, dollar for dollar, the Nighthawk cost half what an S3 did in 2000. The Blast and the Nighthawk were within $1,000 dollars of each other. Ah, the Nighthawk would catch that prey every time. Even in the twisties, the Nighthawk has a better lean angle than a blast. He**, the Nighthawk has a better lean angle than the M2. The point of the CB750 Nighthawk was fun for the buck and standard bike versatility. In not only purchasing, but also maintaining, the Nighthawk is one of the most economical bikes out there. That is why the motor has hydraulic valves, low compression pistons, oil cooling, drum rear brake, and pre-load only adjustment on the suspension. Bang for the buck was the target for this bike and it does that very well. | ||
| Brucelee |
"Be careful though, a CB750 is still an I-4. My Honda dealer promises me that for little money, he can up HP on the Nighthawk from 62rwhp, to 100rwph. Not hard to believe considering a GIXXER 750 has 140hp at the Crank." Are we talking the Nighthawk here? Is that not a parallel twin? If this is the bike, I have to say that by today's standards, the bike is a pig. Sorry but I rode one recently and thought it was scary bad. | ||
| Mikej  |
Mikey, Your dad is just yanking your chain, you should have simply said Buells don't have doors.  | ||
| Djkaplan  |
"Are we talking the Nighthawk here? Is that not a parallel twin?" Honda never made a 750 parallell twin, Nighthawk or otherwise. It's funny how we can bag on the musty old SOCH CB, but when that bike first came out, it was a monster. I remember seeing my first one and being both fascinated and scared at the same time. Course, I was only 8 years old. I wouldn't be so quick to pick on a properly modded CB. A good tuner can work some real magic with that engine. | ||
| Bomber  |
my old TX650 is still lurking the back of the entropy lab -- it'll be a fun project, and a funner ride, but to think it would keep up with any Buell (except mebbe the Balst) is a pipe dream of the first order -- | ||
| Brucelee |
"It's funny how we can bag on the musty old SOCH CB, but when that bike first came out, it was a monster. I remember seeing my first one and being both fascinated and scared at the same time. Course, I was only 8 years old. I wouldn't be so quick to pick on a properly modded CB. A good tuner can work some real magic with that engine." Notice I said by today's standards and I stand by that statement. I would shudder to approach a turn with any speed on that sled, it is scary without a doubt. Straight line, MAYBE you could juice it up but then you have to ask yourself WHY? It still looks like it needs a milk crate strapped to the seat. Sorry, this is not a classic in the making! IMHO. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"Sorry, this is not a classic in the making!" I'm not sure why you think I singled out any statements you made other than your mistake about the parallel twin part, but... The SOCH is already considered a classic. The original sandcast case models were fetching collector's prices years ago. Also, don't forget, a factory CR750 (based on the SOCH) won Daytona in 1970. Dick Mann did have some big ones, though... | ||
| Jlnance  |
Dick Mann did have some big ones, though... LOL - What a name for someone with that quality. | ||
| Blake |
I've ridden my Dad's 1980 CB750. Nice bike. Air-cooled. Four big shiny chromed megaphone tail pipes, two on each side. He keeps the venerable old CB750 Custom at the Lake House in Chautauqua, NY for Summertime riding. He enjoys his '97 S3T here in Kilgore during the Texas Autumn, and Spring. He'd like to have a Buell in NY too. | ||
| Tripp  |
my first bike was a 79 cb750 and boy it rode like the wind but compared to my cyclone it was a sled, 20 years makes a big difference. funny that this thread came up, i bought my cyclone for all the same reasons i got the cb, it was a great well rounded bike. | ||
| Davegess |
Is it Dick Mann who, in the film On Any Sunday, tries to win the national title by cutting the cast off his left foot, taping up the broken ankle with duct tape, forcing it into his boot and than goes out racing on a dirt track mile? Big ones certainly. | ||
| M2nc |
As far as for a Classic, a CB550/750 was a monumental bike. I know this is a Buell site and most you guys don't want to read that, but its true. The Honda CB line is the Granddaddy of the modern day sport bike. Before the CB's the Sportster and the Thruxton were considered fast. When I was at Thunder in DC last Memorial Day, I pissed off the HD crowd because on-lookers kept making such good comments about the bike. Here I was in the middle of several hundred thousand Harleys, and I was getting more attention than those around me. The story was always the same. "That's a Honda Nighthawk, isn't it? I remember when..." It is a Classic. Bruce, the CB is Honda's designation for the Inline four. They have come in many shapes and sizes over the years but always the in-line four. I believe the most powerful Nighthawk, was the CB700F from the early eighties. It had 85hp at the crank. I believe that is more than early Buells, and still more than a modern 88ci HD motor. As far as for straight or twisty, the Nighthawk is a well rounded bike. For economic reasons the bike does not have adjustable forks. The brakes are too WEAK also. So most of you would find a Nighthawk uneasy at speed in the twisties. I have logged over 18,000 miles on my Nighthawk. Knowing most groups of motorcyclist, you have those that can, and those that pose. I would say, if you can not squeeze everything out of your Buell, I would frustrate the hell out of you in the twisties. For now, the Nighthawk is my commuter. I rode it to work today and it was fun. I took off at lunch a blew off some steam on some twisties. Paced the bike between 75-80mph and took a series of 35-40mph curves and was not really pushing it. The M2 can smoke the Nighthawk, but when the pace easies off, the Nighthawk shines. It is still a fun bike to ride to me. | ||
| Brucelee |
Sorry I did not mean to offend. It is just that riding a CB750 after getting off my XB was a total shock. I always liked the way the Nighthawk looked but when riding it, I though I was gonna go down. Time is the great equalizer, no? |
