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     Rocketsprink  |
If you wanted to build a bike that was still street legal, but it would be used mostly for track days and oh, say, a trip to the "Dragon" what would YOU pick? Prefer a Buell, but ANY bike is on the table, so to speak. Ideas??!! Doesn't have to be new either. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise)  |
04 R1  Or a 97-98 S1 with a 100" motor in it. | ||
| BadS1  |
Dyna why not a 96 S1???I'd just use the bike you already have Rocco.Isn'nt that why you bought it??I did the same to my last bike made it to pretty then didn't want to hurt it.Turned into no fun for me but a pleasure for me to look at though. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
So we gonna get you out on the track this year Dana? Heather & Nancy are game for it, might even talk CJ into it. Im shooting for at least 4-5 track days this year. No sense having the race kit if ya aint gonna race it  | ||
| Imonabuss |
Get an XB9. They have won a lot of races and championships at the club racing level, and they are so incredibly easy to ride that they will help you learn how to ride. If you ride something like an R1, chances are you'll become a rider that putts through the corners and then cranks it on down the straightaways. Heck, if that's racing, go to a drag strip. I like a bike that allows me to slither under the overpowered squirrels in the corners. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Rocco, XB9 with a 100" motor in it. Oh yea, no putting allowed. | ||
| BadS1 |
It all matter about the time.But I'm game???Its taking alot just for me to get to Daytona.More then you know. | ||
| Imonabuss |
Put a 100" S&S motor in it and it'll just blow up. Leave that crap for the jerks who rev their open pipes outside the bar. Ride a great handling reliable bike until you are dragging everything on the ground, including knees and elbows. Nothing emasculates track poseurs like being stuffed over and over again by a guy who can ride on a bike that's supposed to be slower. | ||
| Steve_mackay  |
XB9R with a Nallin 1200CC big bore kit  | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Nothing emasculates track poseurs like being stuffed over and over again by a guy who can ride on a bike that's supposed to be slower. That simply comes down to rider ability & nothing more. Just because someone owns a supposedly superior handling machine doesnt mean they can extract all the bike is capable of giving. I own a Basketball, doesnt mean I can play like Kobe or Jordan though. | ||
| Crusty |
If he's a lousy rider, a Buell will feel better than anything else, and will put a bigger smile on his face. If he's a good rider, he'll pass turkeys on overpowered Inline fours, and and have the satisfaction of handing them an open can of Whoopass. Either way, An XB would be the bike I'd choose. BTW, I still think Dyna needs an XB12R with Lightning ergonomics. I also think I need an XB 12T, but I doubt I'll ever see one. | ||
| Court |
>>>Nothing emasculates track poseurs like being stuffed over and over again by a guy who can ride on a bike that's supposed to be slower. That's a partially accurate statement. To understand that concept to it's fullest impact, one must also toss in the equation that the emasculation is completed when this is done by an "old man" on a small bike. I had my own personal moment teaching "Ninja Boys" about Buells at the Streets of Willow. It is, me thinks, a zero sum world. For whatever damage was done to their young egos, after being extracted was added to my bank. I'm not that fast of a rider, the Buell make up for many of my shortcomings. But, I felt like a GP champ that day. Fun part is that the entire event was photographed and my favorite photo, here on the desk, is the old man on the Buell, per on the ground, sweeping through the corner. Kidlets, not in the picture, were busy figuring out what to do with that super speed they'd just achieved on the straight. Pass the Buell please. Court | ||
| Aydenxb9 |
Amen to that. Being on a fast bike is fun but it only takes you so far. The last track day I went to at VIR, full course no less, I'd watch them wave bye on the South course straight, and they'd start to pull away on North course straight until they had to negotiate the kink at the flag stand. But come turn one, the bus stop, the esses, or the roller coaster, the tables turned and momentum, and corner speed became the ruler. It was great fun to chase down folks on their "real" sport bikes in the technical sections, pass and leave them just to have them come screaming by on the next long straight section, and do it all over again. If all you're going to do is track days, then build whatever turns you on. It's not a race, it's about just getting what you can out of you and your machine. Poke it, stroke it, spend a ton on it if that what floats your boat, but some of the guys I saw having the most fun weren't the fastest or spent the most by a long shot. Make sure it's reliable, and comfortable and have fun. | ||
| Daves |
Dana, I have 5 track days planned for next summer at Blackhawk. I'll have the schedule out soon so you can plan ahead. | ||
| X1tx  |
If it was just a track bike, I'd like an S1 with an 88" or 100" motor. Totally fun, and useless as a street bike.  | ||
| Rick_a  |
A stripped down, hacked-up, barely legal '96 S1 with RaceTech'ed suspension, dual rotors, and about 115hp would suit me fine. The chassis is almost there. The motor...maybe next year! | ||
| Stealthxb  |
CRF450 I think Super Motard would be the way to go! Fun as hell to beat around the track yet perfectly capable off-road. Throw a tail light and some signals on it and your ready to rip up the Dragon! | ||
| Djkaplan  |
For track days? That's an easy one - GSXR-750. | ||
| Mr_grumpy  |
I follow the Stealthxb theory but bigger, A Yam super-ten with a TRX 850 lump in it would do for me. Or if not that, a Boxer-Cup Beemer would do.  | ||
| Tramp  |
i USE my S2T rat on the street and track, incl. (playing around) mx course, which is mnot a pretty or graceful sight, i've been assured... | ||
| Jssport  |
Aprilia Tuono | ||
| Lornce  |
Rocco, Are you jokin with us here? Your XB12S IS the perfect bike for combination street and track use. Don't know which road course you're planning to frequent, but tight and gnarled would work best in the Buell's favour. I use a mostly stock race kitted S1 for track days, and I love it. The chassis mods I've made (additional clearance and quicker steering) make it pretty well suited for one of our local road courses (Cayuga), which is tight and gnarled. Your XB12S's chassis is already THERE. In spades. Am toying with the notion to 88" the S1's motor to increase it's ability on our other local track (Mosport) which has a 5/8 mile uphill back straight.... Everyone has different tastes, and only you know which bike's right for you. Personally, I enjoy the Buells because they're flexible and fun in a number of roles. With the S1 I can go for a leisurely little trundle in the country, enjoy the scenery and see 75 mpg (imperial: seriously) or spank it around Cayuga, giggling under my helmet dicing with the local gixxer-kids into the corners.  | ||
| Tramp |
that's a great photo, lornce!!!!! | ||
| Blake |
Lornce, Suggest you stay with no more than a 1250 kit. With other mods you can get to an good reliable 120 RWHP. I've been advised that the 88" is pushing the envelope of reliability with the stock cases. I have to agree. Not much meet left in critical areas. I wonder how Frank Amerman's monster 88" and Pammy Brown's 88" fire breather is doing these days. She put the whoopin on a R1 at the Teresy Dyno Drags not too long ago. Poor R1 owner didn't know what hit him. LOL. | ||
| Lornce |
Blake, I've wondered about that, too, but the 1250's that are making the numbers you mention are doing it at 7.5k+ rpm. My thinking is to build a motor that'll make strong, useable power below the 6.5k rpm mark. I'm a cheap old bugger who needs a motor to stay together a long time: I've got a high rpm aversion with these things. fwiw, I've got a buddy who regularly mauls a whacked out 88" S1 and the only engine damage he's managed is piston-valve "interface" type stuff. His motors are tuned waaay out there and he puts them through more abuse than I could ever imagine (big BIG rpm's in the lower gears) and he's yet to suffer a case related reliability issue. Another friend road racing an 88" X1 has similar confidence in the cases. I'm banking on the experience of these guys, and only know what they've seen. I'm not too hard on engines, anyway. My drug is corner entry speed.  Tramp, Glad you like the pic. Lifted it from a local web-board and I'm not even sure who took it. | ||
| Lornce |
Blake, Having said all that, I'm also interested to know who advised you against 88" and possible case related problems? best of 2005 to you, Lornce | ||
| Blake |
If you are planning to limit the revs then you probably solve the problem. It was a very experienced and well respected and successful high performance engine builder who advised me that for race applications the 88" option with stock cases would hurt reliability. I've seen 115+ RWHP at 6,500 RPM out of a 1250cc engine from each of BadWeB's performance engine sponsors. | ||
| BadS1 |
I doubt a woop'n Blake.Pammy's bike is hot know doubt but a R1 is 10 grand bike.Great comparo. | ||
| Blake |
Any time a Buell beats a Japanese repliracer liter-bike, it is a "whoopin." I've been expecting Pammy to post up a story all about it. She must be otherwise detained. | ||
| Court |
>>>Any time a Buell beats a Japanese repliracer liter-bike, it is a "whoopin." That's an accurate statement. Wes Brown is smart and a master of motorcycle engine. I have no need for that power, but do revel in watching kids on repliracers eat crow. Wes and Pammy are well able to serve up huge portions. I'd love to see the story. Court |
