| Author | Message | ||
     Littlebuggles  |
Newfie - The point of being armed is to protect yourself, whether from an oppressive government or from the dope doin punk down the street who thinks a home invasion will be a thrill and hook him up with the cash for another hit besides; it's just a matter of circumstance. Rocket - check the numbers/stats posted for violent crimes USA vs. GB and then consider population - The thought of the per capita crime rate makes me shake my head in wonder! An I've lived a sheltered life. If you folks wonder where I'm coming from check my profile. I deal with these retards every day and let me tell you they don't play fair or rationally. They will hurt you and steal from you if they think they can get away with it. When I look at peoples charges, the ones that have [committed the crimes with} the guns are the ones that won't deal with me or each other as a man - they are frightened little turds. I get so mad when I hear about three armed punks forcing into this old lady's house for her jewelry and purse, then I get to protect them from the rest of the turds who will kill them because they saw the story on the news. (half the others did the same stuff, just didn't get their story published). I think the world will survive if they don't make it out of the house with the 12 gauge. I am a conservative person but I feel very strongly about this subject. I have watched video of people pulled over where the cop (a trained professional) has DIED in seconds. Protect yourself. Do it in as legal a way as possible, that way you keep the law on your side. But the law may take a while to get there so don't let the criminals make you a victim. I have a gun and a sword (we know the sword is always loaded and don't have to worry about looking down the barrel) at home and I can use both but the sword won't do much good if intruders to my home are shooting. Pepper spray is good but there are those who it is worthless on since the point of it is pain compliance (10% was quoted earlier, sounds right)- If they are high or need a hit they won't feel the pain. Also you build a tolerance to the pepper the more you are exposed to it. Thus, we are switching to a new brand since the prisoners in max now have the old stuff on their eggs with breakfast. Tasers are cool but surprisingly enough there is also a part of the population they won't work on. Dude at the gun shop told me a cop buddy gave his wife an 18" shot gun and said "Just shoot them through the door!" I wondered how that would go when he forgot his keys (?) Point is be smart and be safe. **Forgot I took all my jobs off my profile, I work in law enforcement... Break arms, break legs, shoot to kill. I think packin heat is the best way to go - just make sure you know what you are doing. (Message edited by littlebuggles on November 24, 2004) | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Oh yeah, stricter laws are BS. I've only been a corrections officer for a couple years, I'm sick of it. Lock up criminals longer and you're just going to have to pay for more folks like me. And trust me, there aren't many of those. When they (the criminals) get out, the aren't rehabilitated, they are just bigger and more knowledgeable cause they've been learning from each other and working out to stay busy. You don't want them telling you to give them your bike, or your wallet, or wondering who's gonna get raped when they are using the big industrial zip ties that make their eyes light up when they talk about them. Put me out of a job. An armed citizenry is the way to go (IQ tests and gun safety classes should be mandatory).} | ||
| Firebolt020283  |
"Anybody here married to a woman who gets in fist fights?" heck yea my wife beat a girl up one time cuz she was messing with my bike! | ||
| Rocketman  |
Is this the new face of BadWeB? Intelligent, well scripted non flaming posts removed covertly and with no explanation? Imagine how dangerous you'd be with the power of a gun, never mind a keyboard you chicken. I guess one stupid Englishman touched a chord eh? Rocket | ||
| Newfie_buell  |
Has a post been deleted again? In future if a post has been deleted, the content should be deleted with a note "Deleted due to content". However the flame wars must stop boys and girls!!! | ||
| P0p0k0pf |
Don't feel special Rocket... My latest post is gone too. Damn- I guess the admin can't be labeled the oppressive, biased, controlling person in your mind, eh? | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise)  |
Has a post been deleted again? Several have, I read them & saw no reason why they should have been deleted. Its a discussion about guns & thats exactly what was in those posts. | ||
| Tramp  |
um....the reason i cited to carry cs or pepper spray is not as an end, but as ameans to one. you see, spraying someone in the eyes, which is easy as pie, will make them put both hands to their face., and regardless of pain tolerance, they will be temporarily vision-impaired if only due to the unconscious reflex of the eyes to rid themselves of noxious irritants. it's at this point that an intelligent 'victim' can take the assailant out, with less hassle than a handgun would provide, later. hey- like i said: i don't carry either, i don't need to. my advice is for the ladies, anyway. instead of the long wait for a permit or the risk of having the heat hold you due to an illegal handgun (& here in NY there are mandatories for that crime), sinmple spray is a great alternative. littlebuggles: move laterally to police work or fd and ,a s you know, your pension will follow. big house work will not do you psyche any good, even if you are in facility with good swap-partners. where are you working, anyway? | ||
| Road_thing  |
Rocket: I moved your original posts to be reviewed by the custodial group, and I sent you a message via the link in your profile explaining why. If you didn't get my message perhaps your e-mail address has changed? Another custodian removed your re-post of the same message. Ping me via the "send message" link in my profile if you wish to discuss off-line. rt | ||
| Brucelee |
My response to Rocket was removed. I thought I was quite mild actually. "Hey what happened?" BTW-the funny thing about prison is this weight training thing. Why in the world are these guys allowed to spend all day doing weights and martial arts, using steroids so that they can come out of prison and become worse tyrants than when they went in. How about his. We take all that training crap out, feed them soy and estrogen hormones, allow them only marathon running as exercise. Make them listen to Barry Manilow instead of Rapsters! When they come out, they will enter accounting school and become CPAs or perhaps interior designers. What do you think? | ||
| Polekat |
Packing doesn't mean safe. http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/nov04/277439.asp | ||
| CJXB  |
Brucelee, check your e-mail !! | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Bruce, when Thompson was governor of WI he got all the weights out of the state prisons for just that reason. | ||
| M2me  |
If you pull a gun, make sure you are ready to take that person's life. Pointing a gun at someone is not the time to be uncertain. How many people carry guns, but are not truly ready to use them if need be? This quote from Doughnut explains my position pretty accurately. I have to be honest with myself and admit that I'm not sure I would be able to pull the trigger on a person. I've shot deer and grouse many times but I'm not sure I could shoot a person. That's why I think carrying a weapon for self defense would probably just end up getting me into more serious trouble than if I was unarmed. There's a lot of people who have never actually shot and killed anything thinking they'll be like John Wayne or Clint Eastwood when faced with a threat for the first time. They are going to be surprised when things don't go as smoothly as they do in the movies. | ||
| Rocketman |
Several have, I read them & saw no reason why they should have been deleted. Its a discussion about guns & thats exactly what was in those posts. Thank you Dyna. I'm sure if my removed post had been offensive or insulting to anyone, you'd have been the first to send over a volley. Thanks again. Rocket | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Brucelee - I like your suggestions. Many proponents argue for the weights and such because exercise is such a good outlet for various aggressive behaviors - it is true that facilities with exercise available have less "hostile occurrences". Treadmills and Manilow is probably a viable alternative. Cardio work tends to have longer lasting effects anyway. Rocket - as I recall from reading the "Rules" personal attacks may also be cause for the removal of posts. Tramp - You are right certainly right about the lateral move, I am in process for the last few months. County lock up for now. Comments on pepper spray noted, good stuff for general self defense use. Funny 'bout firearms, I generally only carry when on my bike because of the people and places I see when I ride. I don't usually carry any other time, other self defense options have always seemed sufficient. -Mike | ||
| Brucelee |
"Bruce, when Thompson was governor of WI he got all the weights out of the state prisons for just that reason" That seems to make sense. If we think about it, allowing prisoners to improve their health through exercise like running, bodyweight exercises, meditation etc. all seems to make sense. Allowing them to take martial arts, get huge on weights and steroids makes no sense. I am not a big fan of so called rehabilitation. However, since we have them there, why not play the odds with libraries, self-control programs, positive reinforcement, healthy exercise, etc. Am I off base on this or what? | ||
| Brucelee |
"That's why I think carrying a weapon for self defense would probably just end up getting me into more serious trouble than if I was unarmed" That seems sensible. It is important to know yourself and what you are capable of. | ||
| Tramp |
brucelee you are on the money. the weights do keep things more mellow in das grosshoff, though, and sometime sthey allow the felon to learn to relax AND, much more importantly, the felon learns an innate need to be physically active, so that after paying his debt he is accustomed to scheduled physical activity every day and feels a tropism toward hard work. it may sound funny, but the very elements missing from the lives of many perps are discovered through something systematic and structured and difficult. were we to keep all of our inmates lounging about on sofas all day spanking each other's monkeys, we'd have even more unemployable freaks skulking about when they get out. some good ol' guys with a sense of structure and commitment can be found near the weight pens of many fine penitentiaries, and they serve as good father figures to lost young perps, and often guide them toward ssome self-respect. believe it or not, it actually does happen sometimes. littlebuggles: i know here in NYS the county lockups are typically worse than the state prisons because there's more tension from an unsettled psyche of recent incarceration.` county's a good place to get cornholes, if you're in poulation, and a good place to get shanked if you're a co. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
I know here the inmates much prefer the state prisons, the county lockups are notorious for being full of guards who are pricks, newbie inmates who have something to prove, etc. | ||
| Blake  |
The custodians here are doing a great job. If you disagree with their efforts to maintain the board, you are invited to immediately cease participation here. In fact I may institute a no-whining clause to the board policy. Anyone whining about how the board is run gets suspended. Man, that sounds like an excellent idea. The quality of our custodial staff is unprecedented. Sure would be nice if their efforts were never required. Sadly that is not the case. Happily it IS the case that intervention is rare. Insulting my country is insulting me just like an insult against my family is an insult against me. I doubt that I'm the only one who harbors such feelings. Again, don't like the way the place is run? Leave. | ||
| Outrider  |
Too funny. That's the reason I don't carry anymore. I would rather spend some time in the hospital hitting on the nurses (just the female one's) than sitting in jail wishing I had a chastity belt.  | ||
| Blake |
Good thing he didn't have a gun? | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Thats seriously screwed up. There has been a spate of stabbings in Chinese schools in recent months. In September, 24 children were injured in a knife attack in Shandong. The man responsible for that attack was executed on Wednesday China doesnt screw around with appeals like we do, if found guilty..wham they kill you. I like that idea instead of the years & years of endless appeals we have here. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Then again there is always the "What IF" that person didn't commit the crime. If your holding the smoking gun standing over the victims then so be it but if your not......how would you like to be convicted of a crime you did not commit!!!!! Appleals process do serve a purpose. | ||
| Brucelee |
"Appleals process do serve a purpose" Appeals are fine and it is the way that they are carried out in the US that does not work. The average appeal process in California for a murder takes nearly 10 years and the process alone costs the state over $1M per inmate NOT including the costs of housing the inmate for the 10 yrs necessary to put his lights out. In contrast, there was one murder of a US President (Garfield I believe) where the murderer was caught, tried, and executed in something like 90 days. Perhaps that is too fast but you get my point. Why should a taxpayer pay $1M for this process for EVERY murder appeal? | ||
| Tramp |
brucelee- that is a very scary stat you cite. very scary. $1,000,000 per inmate, appeals process, excluding housing for that decade. very scary. excellent point | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Still a small price to pay if the person is innocent? If guilty though its should be an eye for an eye!!! | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Newfie, I dont think anyone is suggesting to put a bullet in those cases where reasonable doubt still exists. After all quite a few innocents have been turned loose after DNA testing proved them innocent. But in cases like Dahmers, John Wayne Gacey, possibly this Vang guy, etc etc where there is no doubt who did the deed either thru positive proof or sometimes even admission by the guilty, then we shouldnt go thru years & years of appeals. You are guilty & have been sentenced to death, now lets go out back of the courthouse & put a slug in your eye. Better yet, let a family member of the person they killed pull the trigger. | ||
| Blake |
I oppose the death penalty. Torture is okay though. |
