| Author | Message | ||
     P0p0k0pf |
---------------------------- A nation like America that allows its citizens access to guns is a nation that can't rely upon its citizen to make an unbiased judgment when for example your government finds itself in a situation where it might need to active her military. Nationalism and guns don't mix well for outsiders I fear. Rocket ----------------------- I really don't understand your first comment. Can you elaborate upno it or restate it? Also, in what instance do nationalism and guns not mix? Are we talking about standing at the international arrival terminal in the local airport, shooting people who walk down the jetway? Sorry- it doesn't happen. Afain, I'd like an elaboration or some substance to back this point up. Are we talking about a foreign country attacking us on our soil? Nationalism and guns made this country. If all of our lines of defense fail (yeah- right) then nationalism and guns will perpetuate the existence of America again... | ||
| Brucelee |
Rocket loves to provoke, but has nothing upstairs to back it up. Ignore him! Fact is that gun toting criminals are much more brazen when they know that they are the only ones with guns. Why, because they are rational and their objective is to do harm to your person and/or property and to not have harm done to them. Why else do they try to pick the easy house to rob, the meek person to intimidate etc? I have spent a lifetime practicing martial arts etc. Having said that, those skills are no match for a gun. most times. So, I am getting one for the house assuming the Republic of Kalifornia allows such things. My brother, who is a retired LEO and award winning marksman, advises me to buy a double barreled sawed-off shotgun. He says, "aim in their general direction, pull both triggers, call the medics." No fuss, no muss. Of course, the CA police will likely have some issues but I will be alive to debate them, no? | ||
| Rocketsprink  |
Aren't sawed off shotguns illegal? | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Hey, that Avatar above looks really good. So does this one. What's up? Worked fine yesterday. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise)  |
Rocco, yes sawed offs are illegal. Anything under an 18" barrel length is considered "sawed off". I have spent a lifetime practicing martial arts etc. Having said that, those skills are no match for a gun. most times Exactly. I have told this story before & its 100% true. Years ago a guy named Mike Jackson had his own Karate studio, trained for years, won many awards, etc etc. A certifiable bad@ss with his bare hands. Anyways his studio was right next to a bar & 1 night there was a fight between a man & a women, Mike came outside & attempted to break it up. The guy pulled a gun & shot him dead on the spot. | ||
| Brucelee |
A couple of years ago, I tried to break up a fight between two women (both drunk) and one of them hit me from the side with her cell phone while I was "restraining" the other. Stupid me, I should have left them alone. Five stitches later, I am driving home from the ER with a $1100 bill and a really bad headache! Both woman took off before security could find them. You can't block what you don't see! | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Couple of years ago 2 of my neighborhood women got into a fight..& I mean an actual hairpulling, bra snapping, cat fight. There were maybe 5-6 of us standing around watching them beat the crap out of each other & none of us were going to jump in the middle of it, figured they would get tired & eventually stop anyways. The women who was getting her @ss kicked kept screaming at her husband to jump in & help her, he just told her "no way, its your fight & you started so you finish it". | ||
| Brucelee |
"The women who was getting her @ss kicked kept screaming at her husband to jump in & help her, he just told her "no way, its your fight & you started so you finish it"." That guy was very very wise. I would never do that again. The ego is a strange thing, making you do things that in retrospect, you KNOW you should not have done. Now, I would let them beat the h... of each other.  | ||
| Brucelee |
BTW- the ER doc told me, "two inches to the right and you might be blind in that eye!" How dumb is that? | ||
| Tramp  |
get the dbl bbl., don't 'saw it off' just get an 18.5"er. better yet, just get a cheapass mossberg 550 w/an 18.5"er. don't get cute and put a pistol grip on it, keep it relatively 'sporting'. makes a huge difference to a jury, later. not calling yourself bruce lee will help avoid a lot of 'situations'.... | ||
| Brucelee |
"not calling yourself bruce lee will help avoid a lot of 'situations'" Yes, I only do that online for fun and because I am a big fan of bruce. But in real life, I keep a very low profile!  | ||
| Tramp |
i hear ya- if i thought otherwise i wouldn'a posted  tramp 'superfoot' wallace | ||
| Court |
Call me old fashioned....but I suspect lots of this has to do with "choices" that long "preceed the need". Anybody here married to a woman who gets in fist fights? I have to say...I stepped off the thread right there. Perhaps I am old amonst this crowd, perhaps naive, but I have met many gals from Badweb, shemale Buell employees, Harley-Davidson employees, wives of fellow riders, friends and Elves and am having quite a difficult time picturing ANY of them lofting a right-hook outside a bar. It's that "choices" thing. | ||
| CJXB  |
Never been in fight, ever !! Sure sound like I would sometimes though !!  | ||
| Ingemar  |
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| Firebolt020283  |
now thats the setup i want! ingemar were do i get one? | ||
| Ocbueller  |
Them damned deer ain't gettin away from that getup! SteveH | ||
| Clydeglide  |
Rocket, Here are the statistics one year after Australia's confiscation of 640,381 personal firearms at a cost of $500,000,000. Well, the obvious has occurred: Homicides are up 3.2%. Assaults are up 8.6%. Armed Robberies are up a whopping 44%! This reverses a 25 year trend in reduction of Armed robberies! In the state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%! There has been a "dramatic increase" in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Of course, the Australian politicians who made the confiscation possible are absolutely confused at the results since the "ridding of society of guns." I wonder how many bad guys gave up their guns? Of course, there have been other political leaders who disarmed their citizens: Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Kim IL Sung immediately come to mind. We know what happened there don't we?  | ||
| Doughnut  |
If you pull a gun, make sure you are ready to take that person's life. Pointing a gun at someone is not the time to be uncertain. How many people carry guns, but are not truly ready to use them if need be? | ||
| Steve_mackay  |
Anybody here married to a woman who gets in fist fights? Umm, yup... You're ever in the Milwaukee area, look me up, and I'll tell ya about it | ||
| Rocketman  |
My brother, who is a retired LEO and award winning marksman, advises me to buy a double barreled sawed-off shotgun. He says, "aim in their general direction, pull both triggers, call the medics." No fuss, no muss. Of course, the CA police will likely have some issues but I will be alive to debate them, no? Explains my point entirely. For further quantifiable comments, search the 'war thread' around and after 9 - 11. 'Nuke the lot of 'em ', and similar comments come to mind. And Bruce, for a guy that claims to have something upstairs, your comments have at times suggested otherwise. Clyde, no one with any sense would expect those figures to be any different. The next few years will be more telling, after the law has come down heavier on those with guns. Those dealing with guns find it harder to source them etc etc. There's a hundred reasons why disarming will work in the long term, but not overnight. Rocket | ||
| Brucelee |
"And Bruce, for a guy that claims to have something upstairs, your comments have at times suggested otherwise. " I have plenty upstairs, smart enough to know that if someone breaks into my house uninvited, he/she has bad intentions. An essential element of the intelligent man is his ability to discern danger. What would you do with the intruder, negotiate? Good luck!  | ||
| Brucelee |
"Of course, the Australian politicians who made the confiscation possible are absolutely confused at the results since the "ridding of society of guns" Well of course, how can you not be confused by such a turn of events? Fewer guns, more crimes! That is why they are politicians and not out competing in the world, where reality makes you perform or perish! In government, having a good idea is about all it takes to get elected. By the time your good idea has turned out not to be, well, you can blame it on someone else, obfuscate the data or run for another office somewhere else. What a life! | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Anyone caught breaking into my home will be face with 2 choices. If I get em downstairs it will be with my 12 gauge pointed at em. If its upstairs it will be the .357 they will starring at. Its that simple really, I will point my gun at them , tell them not to move while I call the cops. If they move they get shot. I really dont have any problems at all with shooting someone I catch in my home. | ||
| Clydeglide |
There's a hundred reasons why disarming will work in the long term, but not overnight. Re read the last sentence in my previous post. That's why WE have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. (Message edited by clydeglide on November 21, 2004) | ||
| Crusty |
Big Brother is like Santa Clause; he's making a list and checking it twice. And he IS watching you. | ||
| Brucelee |
Anyone caught breaking into my home will be face with 2 choices. "If I get em downstairs it will be with my 12 gauge pointed at em. If its upstairs it will be the .357 they will starring at. Its that simple really, I will point my gun at them , tell them not to move while I call the cops. If they move they get shot. I really dont have any problems at all with shooting someone I catch in my home." I am with you on this one all the way! | ||
| Newfie_buell  |
I may be corrected here - not being up on the whole US Constitution!!! Didn't the right to bear arms come from protecting yourselves from the State/Military/Federal Officials???? Why are you protecting yourselves from the that!!! Criminals will be here till the cows come home and I don't think that was the intent of that amendment!!!! New Question Begins | ||
| Koz5150  |
Dyna.... It would be much more interesting to make them try and carry your TV out the door by themselves. The hernia would incapacitate them in a spectacular fasion... | ||
| Aesquire  |
Newfie, That's the final point, that our founding fathers knew that government, or more precisely, the kind of people who want to run things, become senators & kings, are not to be trusted. When, as has repeatedly happened, despots disarm the people, the people suffer. Every time. Rocket, sorry, wait a few more years & watch the crime rate go up, while civility goes down. What will happen is criminals, knowing the price for crime has gone up, ( assuming a mandatory sentence for crimes involving a gun ) will just be meaner & more prone to violence. When NY state made carrying x amount of Heroin a crime with more of a sentence than shooting someone dead, I predicted ( along with the rest of my law class ) and was right, sadly, that the death rates for NY police tripled in 1 year. After all, if, politely being arrested means 25 years, shooting a cop to escape may mean no time, or at worst, 25 to life, why be nice? I recall that at one time, in London, pickpockets were hanged in the public square. Large crowds formed to watch the spectacle, cruised by pickpockets robbing the distracted throng. ( as you may guess, I do not believe the death penalty has a useful effect. Except that, that 1 criminal will not repeat his crime after.) |
