| Author | Message | ||
     Mutt2jeff |
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| Rocketman |
Coffee table legs too! That's right. You wield anything on U.K streets that could be mistaken for a gun, chances are you'll be shot dead by the police. The message is, don't fcuk around. Rocket | ||
| M1combat |
I know the sight says it kicks like a 12 gage, but try a 6.3lb 12 gage  . LOTS -O- KICK | ||
| Blake |
Why allow law abiding citizens to own guns; they might hurt someone... Why allow law abiding citizens to own fast motorcycles; they might hurt someone. Same exact logic. Funny how some refuse to see the profound truth in the analogy. Legalize all drugs, no limit on vehicle performance, ban guns...  | ||
| Tramp |
when you look at the stats, there are way more drug-induced homicides withOUT gun involvement than there are gun homicides withOUT drug involvement. crank is much, much more homicidal than an automatic weapon- | ||
| Unibear12r |
Thanks Redhat, I've been looking for that site. There have been a couple of occasions while out & about when the fact that I was armed & willing to shoot has saved me and/or my family from injury or worse. That says it all for me. | ||
| Redhatbuell |
Unibear, I know what you mean. Every time I'm outside the fence I'm generally carrying. My wife doesn't even ask any more, she just walks on my off side so I can get to it in a hurry should the need arise. The two times my buddy almost got robbed, just showing the weapon and the willingness to use it was enough to send the gremlin off in the other direction. Rick would just pull his jacket back over the butt, shake his head and we'd press on. Not a statistic we can measure easily...crimes prevented by concealed weapons. | ||
| Rocketman |
Why allow law abiding citizens to own guns; they might hurt someone... Why allow law abiding citizens to own fast motorcycles; they might hurt someone. Same exact logic. Funny how some refuse to see the profound truth in the analogy. Hold on a minute dude. Just lay there in the road whilst I ride my 1200cc Buell over your head. Yep, I could see how that would hurt someone. I love the way your psychology works Blake. To start with, your opening 'gun' comment is a careful choice of word - hurt - not kill, to soften the effect of what a gun can do. Then you compound that comment by using our favourite pastime to make us believe a motorcycle is just as capable as hurting someone as a gun is. The more simpler truth is, one's a killing machine, the other is not. Rocket | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Thats right Rocket, One was created for destruction and harm, the bike was created for a purpose TRANSPORTATION. How about Road Tractors, automobiles and other means as well. WAIT - Seeing the terrorist used planes how about a ban on them!!!!! If Blake's analogy is the case lets stop the use of Bats, pipes, coffee table legs and other miscellaneous objects. Hell lets put a ban on Kitchen Knives while we are at it tool. Not really a good analogy. Reading another post above where every time your outside your fence you have to carry a gun, thats not living in my opinion, thats living in fear. Seems like a lot are doing that these days. Here is a valid question? What happens in a situation where you do actually fire off your gun and someone is either killed or injured? Better yet - how about if you take out an innocent bystander from a stray bullet? | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
rocket that is not nessecarly true, despite the fact that i love riding my bike and i will always ride untill the day i cant but the truth is i know more people that have died on a moter cycle than by the hands of a gun (weather it was them being dumb or not) so a motorcycle can kill just as easly as a gun, am i aginst eather one of them no i love my motorcyle as well as my guns but in the wrong hands both can be deadly. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
When was the last time a bike was driven into a bank, corner store or some kind of home invasion in an instance of terror? Its still not a good analogy!!!! | ||
| CJXB |
Some people enjoy their guns as much as some enjoy motorcycling (hunting etc.) so I think it is a good analogy !! My ex and both my boys all enjoyed hunting and owned guns, never killed anyone !! The ex has had two wrecks on a bike, and either of my boys would be more likely to kill themselves on a bike !! You don't like/want guns, fine stay where you are and/or don't have a gun. But don't impose your thinking on others !! CJ | ||
| Tramp |
regardless of all of that, i (as a lifelong gun owner) have a BIG issue with all you guys who feel you have to pack a piece every time you leave the house. uinless you're the heat, and then it's your duty even when off-duty. i can't begin to count the number of times some milquetoast faggot has started ••••• with me and then brandished a handgun, as a shortcut to actually being a man and backing his words up with his hands. many such guys have a visceral fear of actually getting into an honest fight and getting their ••• handed to them, and they tend to be louder and far more punka ss than an unarmed man who is standup and straightfwd. the little 'tough guys' who will cut your buell off on the freeway and then flip you off usually only do so 'cause they're packing. i've personally kicked the ••••• out of sevral such marys who pulled weapons. a quick look over their shoulder while pretending to speak to someonen back there,"yes officer" makes these as swipes spin around and then you kick it form their hands, stomp 'em and drop their mag and chamber round, leaving them with an empty handgun and an urgent dental issue. i'm all for guns, but some guys (not all) who need one every time they leave the house really just need to get into a few good fistfights to get past the postmodernist in-touch-with-your-feminine-side fear of a few good cracks to the face. sometimes a handgun really is just a compensatory penile replacement. hey- i own many (ya need 'em for russian boar hunting) and so do most of my friends, but we don't carry 'em like the penile prosthetics that many do | ||
| P0p0k0pf |
Saying that someone who always carries is living every day in fear is a bit presumptuous. Someone who is prepared isn't necessarily walking around expecting the worst to happen. They are simply prepared for it. But then again... most anti-gun arguments are based on presumption... A gun, motocycle, bat, stick, car, etc. does what YOU want it to. If someone wants to kill you, they'll find a way. People will still die by another's hand even after everything but red bouncy balls have been banned. Why? Because the law won't keep guns out of criminal hands, and it will keep honest people from being able to easily and effectively defend themselves. Be careful of your rantings... you may be disarming someone who could save your life one day... | ||
| Clydeglide |
Rocket, About 30 years ago my mother and brother took a trip back to the "old country" where my mother was born and raised. There was a bit of a civil war going on as there had been for far too many years. Civilians who had done no harm were getting blown up. The Military was brought in to help control the strife. Barbed wire along the streets. Checkpoints at every corner requiring an inspection of every package and handbag including body pat downs etc. Not altogether tourist friendly. And where is this place? Some third world society? Not quite, it was Londonderry, Northern Ireland, UK. It seems the only ones to have weapons were the police, the military and the bad guys. So tell me again about the civility of your country.  | ||
| M1combat |
I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it... yeah, even if it takes using a gun. That includes those of you in other countries whose governments don't trust you enough to own real fire arms. | ||
| Tramp |
whooa, popopkopf- slow down, there, knee-jerk- i'm as anti-gun control as they come, as i'd stated already, i've owned and shot since i was a tyke. bagged my first buck at 9 with a mod. 94. and yeah- any man who leaves home every day with a sidearm (unless it's his JOB) is living in fear. period. fear of an honest a sswhipping. most guys who talk a little too tough on the street are packing. and dude, please- most of the time guys who pack constantly haven't shot anyone yet. had they ever shot a amn, they'd feel less jerked-off about the sidearm. daily carrying (unless it's your job) is a shortcut to being a man and knowing how to handle yourself. and before you even try to categorize me with anti-gun nutjobs, believe me, i have a nise arsenal, i just don't bandy about about it online, as gun ownership was never really a dick-swinging contest for me. i've honestly shot men with guns, more than once, and i enjoy being in a country where i don't NEED to carry. and yeah- i, too will fight for yours and my right to bear arms, m'man!  it's one of the last uniquely american rights and traditions we still have, and when that right gets hacked up, we will cease to be the land of the free, and i'll be glad to die with that one | ||
| P0p0k0pf |
So, someone bigger than me has the right to kick my ••• and I have to take it? No. I'm 5ft8in., 140lbs. I am not anywhere near the top of the asskicking chain. I can, however, prevent someone from attacking be by having a firearm. That is a fundamental point of owning a gun. You get to balance out your chanceS of being a victim. Someone who carries everyday isn't necessaryily in fear of an "honest asswhipping". They are prepared for a circumstance where they have to defend their life. Not everyone can do that with their fists, and barely anyone at all can do that when faced with an armed criminal. Anyone who carries a firearm with the intent to protect themself or their family, or even an innocent stranger is NOT inflating his ego or manhood. He/She is taking a responsibility that they have a right to in this country. Saying that people carry so they can talk big is an extremely narrow way of looking at the issue. ------------ "daily carrying (unless it's your job) is a shortcut to being a man... ...gun ownership was never really a dick-swinging contest for me." ------------ That's a bit contrasting... I have a friend that is a road service man for construction equipment. He travels to job sites to fix machinery. He carries a pistol even though it isn't his job. It has extinguished more than a few confrontations that may have taken a turn for the worse. Is he wrong for carrying? Anyways... it isn't my business to judge someone's reason for carrying. I know the right reason, and I feel you do too. If someone carries a gun, talks big, and gets violent with me, at least I am allowed to have a gun to increase the chances of safely ending the confrontation. Knowing myself, however, I doubt such a person will get a response from me to goad him further. The last thing I want to do is shoot a person.} | ||
| Tramp |
i understand about your firend, but thebgun, even though it's not mandated by his employers, IS a boon to his job. he's in the category i meant as folks who carry as part of their job. his regular day-to-day life would not put him in those positions where the piece comes in handy, but his job does. therefore, it follows, he needs it for his job 5'8 140 dooes NOt give you the right to pull a piece on someone bigger, if you're in a non-mugging style dispute. you sound like (as do pretty much all people on this badweb and american thunderbike's site-- must be abuell thing) a very intelligent and reasonable guy, i doubt you're someone who ahs any assbeatings coming, and i DO support your right to equalize a bit. h ell- use mace- it's way better, makes 'em scream, gets you no 'gun crime' charges and THEN you can still stomp the offending idiot while he claws at his face. any guy staring ••••• with an intelliegent and reasonable fella like you deserves a good screaming pain and a then a nice stomping from a 140#er. leave the piece at home for when they're at your door.  | ||
| Tramp |
hey popoffkopf- is that a BMW *motorcycle* dealership you write service at? I used to work at one as well, in cervix management | ||
| Clydeglide |
i can't begin to count the number of times some milquetoast faggot has started ••••• with me and then brandished a handgun, as a shortcut to actually being a man and backing his words up with his hands. That act in Florida will get the gun toter arrested. You cannot display a weapon to gain leverage. Or directly from our State........ "Never display a handgun to gain "leverage" in an argument. Threatening someone verbally while possessing a handgun, even licensed, will land you in jail for three years. Even if the gun is broken or you don't have bullets, you will receive the mandatory three-year sentence if convicted. The law does not allow any possibility of getting out of jail early." You can read more do's and don'ts in Florida law here http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/self_defense.html | ||
| Rocketman |
So tell me again about the civility of your country. Like you said Clyde, there was a bit of a civil war going on. That said, the peace pipe is pretty warm these days, but one of the major stumbling blocks towards that pipe getting smoked several years ago, was due to the varying political factions refusing to disarm. Today though it's a different story as disarmament is the single most reason why the varying parties are able to smoke the pipe. If the IRA can hand in their weapons, and they have, I'd wager anyone can. And last time I looked, no one has taken advantage of the IRA since they disarmed. In fact the opposite is true. Most every other paramilitary group followed suit and handed their weapons in too. Not only that, you'll see way less British troops present on Northern Irish streets these days as a consequence. But hey you're asking a lot if you expect the Irish to ever be classed as a civilised people. Mind you, Irish women are gorgeous looking creatures  Rocket | ||
| Roc |
Brandishing a firearm = menacing and legal trouble. I suspect that anyone who would go through the trouble to legally carry a concealed handgun would not use it to menace. Those that would menace with a firearm would likely not be influenced by gun control. The repercussions of justifiably using a firearm in self defense, be prepared to give up everything you own and everything you will ever own. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Rocket a lot of those around here my friend. There is a lot of irish blood on this island. CJ - still not a good anology - and if your telling me to stop imposing my opinion on people the please delete this whole thread as that is just what it is. Others peoples opinions imposed on others. For the most part it those that own the guns. Also - this thread did not start as a hunting thread, as a young boy, I hunted all kinds of game here on the island. This thread was started to see who "Packed Heat" specifically carrying guns in self defence. Also, I don't know a heck of a lot of the US Consitiution but my guess after reading a lot of this thread was the "Right to Bear Arms" came as a result of people needing to be protected against their own Government. Due to recent happenings in the world I can see why you would want to bear arms in that instance. I sit here and still shake my head in awe as to people needing to carry guns for protection. I guess I am just a little stupid to the true state of places around the world. Don't take any offence to my comments I am only trying to understand. They are not meant to support or offend the gun owners. As always its very difficult to get into an open discussion on the internet using typed words, seeing most of human communication is not by spoken words but relies a lot on intonation, expressions, etc, etc...... Then again if we were sat around a table enjoying a beverage and I started speaking of not liking guns I am likely to be shot!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Tramp |
being a criminal, i have to be cognisant of the fact that packing a piece during the disposition of my trade could only add 'enhancements' to any charges brought against me. (jesssssss joshin') | ||
| M2me |
I support the right of citizens to keep and bear arms but I agree with Newfie. The "fast bikes" is not a good analogy. I also agree with Tramp. Too many people who want to carry are "tough guys" who want to prove how tough they think they are. I don't feel any need to carry because I have looked at the situation intellectually. What are the odds that I am going to need a handgun to defend myself against violent crime? Let's look at violent crime. First, throw out all the illegal drug related violent crimes. I don't buy or sell illegal drugs and don't associate with people who do. Second, throw out all the domestic violence related crime. I'm not married and even if I was, I wouldn't participate in or tolerate domestic violence. Seriously, the odds of being in a completely random situation where I would need to use a handgun to defend myself is extremely small. Ask any homicide detective. In almost all gunshot related cases the victim and shooter knew each other. That's not to say that random violence never happens, it does but it's much rarer than most people think. Carry a handgun if you want but unless you're in a high risk occupation you're fooling yourself if you think you really need it for protection. I recommend the movie "Bowling for Columbine". It covers this issue pretty well. I especially like the idea of fear being used by the U.S. media and politicians to explain how the U.S. and Canada have such different homicide rates. It's something to think about. | ||
| Unibear12r |
Not at all Newfie. Your welcome to a few beers & dislike firearms. Some stats drilled into me about ten years ago when it was thought important that I should know. The top four classes of homicide weapons in the U.S. at that time. 1) Blunt objects - anything from ashtrays to baseball bats etc. 2) Hand held penetrators - knives, icepicks, etc. 3) Firearms 4) Vehicles. Yes vehicles used with intent to kill or create great injury. In training we were taught that the most lethal tool we used was not our handguns or shotguns but our vehicle. There is a big trend in police departments to no longer require off duty officers to carry concealed for liability reasons. Many officers don't for the same reason. Many departments now instruct their off duty officers to carry for personal protection and be only " good witnesses" for others unless they are positive great harm is about to occur. Then again there is a old police saying- "Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six" | ||
| Sportyeric |
Unlike Newfie, I don't live on a friendly island. I live in the junkie capitol of Canada. The car-theft capitol of North America. And there isn't a street in the city that I'd not walk down at midnight without feeling a need for a gun. I've never seen a handgun except in the holster of an LEO. Nobody I have ever known has owned a handgun. I haven't felt a need for a gun for self-protection any time in my life except twice: once when I stayed too late at a party in a slum in Mexico City, once when I was out after dark in New York. There is one time that, had I kept a gun in the house it would now be in the hands of a criminal, after the house was broken into. And there are probably times when I've been pissed off enough at someone that its a good thing I hadn't access to a gun. In fact, I do keep a little list. If I wanted to do a better job of looking after my family, I would keep a few months suppy of food and a few weeks worth of drinking water in case of an earthquake or other collapse of the system. Anybody that keeps a gun in the house for "protecting the family" and hasn't taken the effort to stockpile such supplies is full of sh*t. Or at least has misplaced priorities. The number of honest Americans who own guns leads to the number of criminals who have them, since they are the first thing stolen out of the house. And those are the ones that end up in Canada for the coke dealers to shoot each other with. I was chatting with a couple of girls from LA yesterday and asked them whether they carried guns and they laughed. Maybe mace if they were downtown at a club. If Americans are afraid of getting into a situation where they will need a gun for protection when they leave the house, they are either paranoid or living in a society badly in need of repair. | ||
| Blake |
Like I said with some modification as per Sean's point and with further example... Why allow law-abiding citizens to own guns; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own fast motorcycles; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own big heavy vehicles; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own knives; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own aircraft; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own crossbows; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own bows and arrows; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own spears; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own bats/clubs; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to consume alcoholic beverages; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own bull-whips; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own slingshots; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to learn martial arts; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own large attack dogs; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own rat poison they might kill someone. Why allow law abiding citizens to own poisonous snakes; they might kill someone. Why allow law-abiding citizens to own guns; they might kill someone. All the above statements comprise exactly the same logic. It is sad and perplexing how some refuse to see the profound truth in the analogies. Freedom is trusting citizens while justly punishing those who violate that trust. Oppression is deciding that citizens cannot be trusted with certain freedoms and then enforcing a ban on them. Wake up. | ||
| M1combat |
WAKE UP!!! |
