| Author | Message | ||
     R1DynaSquid |
This is for Bruce since he thinks his supposed Porsche is the almighty. I will go right out and sell my Porsche's and see if I can pick up a nice Renault! Wait a minute, they don't sell them here! Hmmm, Mr. Automobile, what do I do now? Stick with my world class sports cars or see if I can import a REAL car from France? Like I was saying earlier Bruce, Porsche has 2 wins in world rally while Renault has at least 8. And you want a real car hows about this? citroen The Citroën Xsara T4 WRC specs (tarmac) Pictures here. Engine Cast aluminum block and head construction, front transversally mounted, XU7JP4 derived. 1998 cm3 , water cooled turbo charged. Bore: 84mm, stroke: 90mm. Compression ratio 9:1 2 OHC belt driven and hydraulic tappets. 4 valves per cylinder. Engine oil cooler. Engine is leaning by 30° toward the rear of the car. Engine output: 310Bhp @ 5500rpm. Engine torque: 570Nm @ 2750 rpm. Garrett/Allied Signal TR30R turbo charger and Magneti-Marelli engine management. Fly-by-wire accelerator. Transmission Full time four wheel drive. The front, center and rear electronically controlled, active, differentials. 50%-50% F-R torque distribution. Six speed X-Trac non synchronized, sequential shift gear box longitudinally mounted. Carbon triple plate clutch, Ø140mm. High ratio rack and pinion, power assisted steering. Final drive ratio: - Gear ratios - speed at max. RPM: 1:- 2:- 3:- 4:- 5:- 6:- R:- Suspension Front: Independent McPherson struts lower wishbone, coil springs and gas shock absorbers, cabin adjustable anti-roll bar. Rear: Independent McPherson struts lower wishbone, coil springs and gas shock absorbers, cabin adjustable anti-roll bar. Brakes Front: 380mm vented disks fixed 6 pot water cooled aluminum calipers. Rear: 304mm vented disks fixed 4 pot aluminum calipers. Chassis Monocoque, steel construction. Wheels/Tires 8"x18" wheels, Michelin 20x65/18 Dimensions Length: 4167mm Width: 1770mm Height: 1332mm Wheelbase: 2550mm Front track: 1568mm Rear track: 1568mm Laden weight: 1230Kg (FIA homologation minimum) | ||
| Buells Rule! Yamahas Suck! |
Take your "porsche" to a track or autocross or world rally, etc & this French Citroen would kick your arse. | ||
| Buells Rule! Yamahas Suck! |
Names too long Blake, come on I know you can do better  | ||
| M1combat |
I'd take a stock 959 over any modern rally car. As far as the modern ones though... Isn't the Focus pretty much regarded as the cream of the crop? If it had to be a modern rally car I'd take the pugeot or the ford... | ||
| BadS1 |
WRX!!!! | ||
| Tom_b |
WRX! Best bang for the buck! Screw the french and their weeny cars | ||
| M1combat |
I thought we were talking rally cars??? In that case the WRX is too big. If we're talking their street counterparts... Yeah... WRX. | ||
| Buells Rule! Yamahas Suck! |
I thought we were talking rally cars Im talking any Rally type car that will kick a Porsches arse. And there are a lot of em. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
Porsche dropped out of the WRC when their cars were no longer eligible due to displacement limits. There are Boxsters that run the lower stock classes but for the WRC Porsche doesn't have a legal motor. IF Porsche could legally run WRC, any of the C-4 models would be very hard to beat. Now the Citroen Xsara is nice, but compared to the Pugueot 206/306, it still has a ways to go. Oh and Don, the WRX is not too big, it does extremely well if it can get a driver to stop breaking it. The WRX is admittedly the most balanced WRC platform taking the least amount of adjustments for the different aspects of terrain. On the mixed Tarmac/Gravel stages it is almost always in the top 3 fastest through the stages due to its very well balanced nature. It can be set up midrange much easier then the other, shorter wheelbase, cars. | ||
| Buellkowski |
Skoda!  | ||
| Tom_b |
WRX as in Subaru is too big? they have a good amount of rally wins for such a tank. Like wyckedflesh said, easy to set up and does very well.compared to the citroens, the pugueot they are a lot less to get into. | ||
| Smitty |
Beullkowski I agree Skoda is a tougher car. It is a little large for what the rally racing has become. It is a superior car mechanically. Dyna have you ever seen how big a 206 is? It is smaller than a Ford Focus. French cars do have advantage in racing. Back in the Turbo days of F1 Renault powerplants we’re king. Later with Williams’s non-turbo V10 powerplants were Renaults. Remember the French wrote the rules and is the governing body. In the past allegations in the early part of the season were that the teams with French help were tipped off early about rule changes giving them the advantage for the early part of the season. Tim | ||
| Mfell2112 |
Tom B best bang for the buck is the Dodge SRT-4. Top speed 154 mph stock. Under $20,000. To hell with this imported garbage. America rules!!!Buells rule!!! Chevies rule!!!:-)King's X rules!!!Oh and France sucks! Mike | ||
| Mfell2112 |
Dyna, you finally came to your senses.:-) Indeed I am with you there Yamahaha's do suck. Yer R1 bite the dust already? :-) Regards Mike | ||
| Tom_b |
Mfell2112, I didn't know the dodge srt4 was a rally car. yeah France sucks. what can you say about a country that write the rules and is a governing body on a type of racing, and still loses. Be kinda like if Subaru started winning NASCAR. I don't own a foriegn car, unless you count my pontiac bonneville, yes I do own a Buell. I live in the hometown of Kings X, my favorite car is a 69 barracuda (not 70 or 71) | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Hey now, ever been to France? Don't give me no crap about the French writing the rules, the US never does that? right! If you live in a glass house don't throw stones. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Before any more of you start jumping in yeah I live in France, & I've owned well over 50 vehicles in my lifetime, from all over the world, some have been great some have been crap, in fact 2 of the worst were American (buick & olds) and some of the best have been Italian. Here's the current fleet & they're all terrific. '99 Buell M2 '88 Yamaha FJ1200 '90 Alfa-Romeo 164 TD '99 Fiat Multipla 105JTD '68 Dodge D100 I've got no axe to grind against the US but please don't post blind prejudice. If you've got some real experience of owning or driving a French car, let's hear about it. If not, go try some, then come back & give an INFORMED opinion. The new cars coming out of the French factories are world class with build quality second only to the Germans. The new Peugeot/Citroen engines are co-developed with Ford/Jaguar Like a new 2.5l V6 twin turbo diesel that kicks out 220 horses. It's a global business you can't pick on any one nation. Oh, & just to have a little dig back, You go on about the "World Rally Championship" being run by the French, Who runs the "World Series" then? GO CARD'S  | ||
| Brucelee |
I will stick with the 911 thanks. I can see Dyna driving a Renault. Wait a minute, they don't sell those here do they! Hmmm! | ||
| Newfie_buell |
I am glad to live in Newfoundland!!!! Grumpy, If you want to send any of those French Cars over this way - Noooooooooooooooo Problem. The problem with the domestic brands is they don't last quite so long in my environment. As soon as you throw a little salt air at them after a couple years they start to look like cheese graters. As for Car Brands - Look at the New GM/Saab/Subaru - The new Saab 9-2X is a rebadged/reworked Subaru WRX/Impreza, Another is the GM Epsilon Platform, Look at The Ford/Jaguar/Mazda relationship, Dodge/Mercedes is another. With respect to bikes Kawasaki/Suzuki Off Road bikes share the same platforms. Heck even my S1 has other manufacturers parts and not to mention the standard/metric wrench sets you need. Some days I thing the New Saab 9-2X is the transvestite of the car industry!!! | ||
| Grndskpr |
I've got no axe to grind against the US but please don't post blind prejudice. If you've got some real experience of owning or driving a French car, let's hear about it. No experience with french cars, no experience with english cars, but once meet this english dude that lived in france, and it didnt really bode well for either country, hence my assumption that both cars must suck, also that while i would never in my life by mudflaps with Yosemite Sam , there are those that would, AKA PT Barnum R | ||
| Newfie_buell |
What does he know? He's only a Cook!!!!  | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I'm the rootinest tootinest cook ya ever saw, ya varmint.  ps Anyone wants to come visit, you'll be more than welcome. pps Anyone wants a French car I can get it for you & get it shipped too. (Message edited by Mr_grumpy on October 19, 2004) | ||
| Grndskpr |
pps Anyone wants a French car I can get it for you & get it shipped too. But can it get plates hear???? What does a used R5 go for, turbo please R | ||
| Garryb |
My Audi TT 225 quatro won't make any best buy lists. But it does have some very cool ecm code by Revo Technik.http://www.revotechnik.com The ECM is flashed by a laptop through the diagnostic port. This changes the code that controls turbo boost levels and timing, etc to more aggresive levels. Goes from 225 hp and 215 tq to 260 hp and 285 tq. I also have a device they sell called an SPS 3. This allows me to quickly and easily modify boost and timing advance based on octane and mods. With 100 octane race gas I can advance the boost and timing substantially. Wish my race ecm code on my X1 could be adjusted to octane and mods. | ||
| Fullpower |
well when theres 3 feet of fresh wet snow, i will chain up 4 wheels on my dodge power wagon, and come looking for ya. | ||
| Garryb |
Its AWD,so goes pretty good in packed snow/ice with higher profile steel wheels and snows, but with three feet of snow, I think its time for Tahoe with chains. Although with three feet, I'd probably stay home till they plow. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
Groundskeeper, if the R5 is an older model that can be shwon to match the model that was sold in the US before, you bet. If its a newer model you will need to work it out with a grey market dealer to get it titled. The best trick is to get it shipped in parts. Get the chassis sent over and modify it so it falls under "kit/homebuilt" status, then add the rest of the drivetrain at a later date. That was how Motorex first started bringing over Nissan Skyline GTRs. The brought over the chassis and sold them as kit cars. Until they found a way to legitimatley get the cars imported by paying up to meet the DOT safety standards testing. | ||
| Garryb |
Isn't the R5 the old Le Car? Kind of a french Mini? | ||
| Buellkowski |
Speaking of French auto performance (& styling)...  Look like fun? | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
The R5 is the hyperformance version of the LeCar with a rear engine that was turbocharged to within an inch of its life. The R5 dominated the WRC seen for its class as well as many a roadrace circuit as well. I got to drive one at a Pro Solo SCCA event back about oh...jeez...to many years ago. They are better known as the Renault Elf. |
