| Author | Message | ||
     Biknut |
all i want is 80 fp of tq at 3500 rpm and 100 rwhp at 6500. is that too much to ask? right now all i got is about 70 and 70. | ||
| Chainsaw |
I believe the Triumph Rocket III has 140 HP and 147 ft pounds of torque. (I need to test ride that thing!) Nallin Racing (www.nhrs.com) should be able to squeeze the 80/100 numbers from your bike. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
That Rocket 3 sounds pretty damn good also. | ||
| Buelliedan |
80/100 is easily doable with a Buell. My S1 is almost there with just simple bolt ons. If I oput on some XB heads worked by NRHS I would easily surpass those numbers. | ||
| Blake |
Phil, Piece of cake. How about 80 FT*LBs at 3,000 rpm and 100 rwhp at 6,500 rpm? Check out the Dyno charts at Cycle-Rama and NRHS, then give them a call. Patrick, Bad link. Try www.nrhsperformance.com  | ||
| Tripper |
Something like this?  98S1, Thunderstorm heads, Westek exhaust, Mikuni 42. | ||
| Ray_maines |
Would 90 hp @ 4750, and 110.7 lb/ft @ 3750 do? If not, more is available with the factory Stage 1, 2, and 3 kits. Check out the Euro only Yamaha MT-01 | ||
| Blake |
Ray, That 90 HP for the 1670cc MT-01 engine is at the crankshaft; given Yamaha's typical 15% bump from rwhp to advertised crank BHP, it'll likely put down around 77 rwhp on a Dynojet inertial dynomometer. Also note that the bike's dry weight is listed as 220 kg (528 LB) for around 590 LBs wet. So the MT-01 will provide about the same performance as a 1996 Buell S1 Lightning that has 140-pounds of ballast added to it. I'd much rather have the S1. I bet Phil would too. | ||
| Ray_maines |
Not to pit the Buell against any particular bike, but I think it's pretty cool that the rest of the world seems to be coming around to the EB's "real world performance" philosophy. Aprilia, BMW, Ducati, KTM, Suzuki, Triumph and now Yamaha are making bikes that are meant to be fun to ride starting the moment you fire them up. Each manufacture has a different idea of how this type of bike should be designed of course, but the market place will sort it all out. If it's really important for a person to own a bike that a 130 pound professional rider can ride even faster than some other 130 pound professional rider can ride some other bike there is always the latest GSX-R. I'll stick to bikes like the Buell M2 and Triumph Speed Triple and rejoice that Yamaha seems to have come aboard as well with the MT-01. Who knows, maybe it will be a big seller and Buell will rethink their Smaller Is Better philosophy and make a bike of more substantial proportions for those of us that would want it. I'm hinting that there seems to be a demand for a "T" model bike from Buell but that the XB platform is totally unsuitable. | ||
| Tripper |
Speak up Ray. They read this board. | ||
| Blake |
I really would like to see a resurrection of the tube framers. Though I have no plans on trading in my Cyclone. Best bike ever built. | ||
| Captainkirk |
Blake; Much as I'd like to see that myself I can't see Buell resurrecting the tubers; they (and many riders) would view that as a step backwards. What Buell needs to do IMHO is design a TOTALLY NEW MACHINE (based on the XB platform?)(or not) that would accommodate two up + baggage; the "XBT" series, if you will (patent pending!)Let's face it, the XB series is too small for some riders, and carry-on luggage space is a problem for some riders.I know some posters have beat this to death in previous posts, but fact is, THEY'RE RIGHT. Buell has taken an entire line of motorcycles and squeezed it into two basic models, plus a "trainer". The CityX doesn't count. (Sorry, Reep!) It's an XB with a new shirt.I really hope, for one, that The Powers That Be really do access this site because they need to know the XB platform is not Everyman's Motorcycle. The tubers were, and still are great bikes, and the XB's will not "replace" them. I certainly hope that's NOT what Buell has in mind 'cause for some of us (me) it just won't work. Build me a better M2/S3T and I'll buy it. One size fits all is for rubber gloves, not bikes.  | ||
| Cyclonemick |
I love my my M2 and I'm almost glad they don't make them anymore because it makes mine that much more unique (In my opinion) But maybe it would be cool to do some type of reunion Special Edition Tuber sometime down the Road? | ||
| Newfie_buell |
The XB is a wonderful bike but it is too small for my build. I love the Tube Frames especially the S1, there is just a timeless beauty in that bike. | ||
| Biknut |
i love you guys. this webb sight is way tits up. thanks for letting me know all that. i like the tube frame better. the new twin spar looking frame hides the motor to much. maybe if it was polished i could warm up to it. i don't think one works much better than the other one. | ||
| Grndskpr |
they (and many riders) would view that as a step backwards. What Buell needs to do IMHO is design a TOTALLY NEW MACHINE (based on the XB platform?) Why couldnt you build a bike based on both the tube frame bikes and the XB bikes, something bigger, tube frame, same(xb) swingarm, same front end, but with a fuel tank, lets see, like the Suzuki Bandit, older GSXR motor, tube frame, bigger, less expensive, why is it a step backwards to make a bike you can ride for less out of pocket while improving the flagship bike???The only import motor that hasent gone this way is the RC51 twin, but time will tell R | ||
| Midknyte |
I would not, myself, consider a [ground-up] new tube frame bike to be a step bakwards. The VROD is still a tube style bike and it pulls off a thoroughly modern look and feel. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
I'm hinting that there seems to be a demand for a "T" model bike from Buell but that the XB platform is totally unsuitable. I disagree, I think the XB platform can be a wonderful Touring model, I believe all that needs to be done is add a longer swingarm and rear section. This will mean a heavier duty shock and heavier springs in the forks as well, but overall, I think it would make it very achievable. I just don't understand why it hasn't been done, unless from their marketing position, H-D is refusing to back it... | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
HD already make touring bikes, work it out!  | ||
| Mbsween |
Hey, how long has Ducati been milking that trellis frame design? Check out the new MV F4, tubular trellis frame. Same for KTM and Aprilla. The italians can't be that wrong No reason a tube type frame can't be the basis for a modern motorcycle. Suprisingly about half the bikes at Running the ridge were tubers | ||
| Outrider |
I prefer tube framed bikes as they give the manufacturer much greater flexibility to respond to the market in a timely and cost effective manner. There are still a lot of manufacturers touting tube framed bikes and they appear to be selling well in all the various types of bikes as well as price ranges. Not to mention, the tube frame bikes appear to be less likely to get totaled in relatively minor accidents. I could be very wrong with this statement as it is a casual observation and I have no numbers to back it up. Just my opinion about tube frame bikes. | ||
| Grndskpr |
I just don't understand why it hasn't been done, unless from their marketing position, H-D is refusing to back it... Its a simple matter of economics, the T models Buell made were there worst selling bikes, they sold in the range of 300 in its last year, they were a loosing item since day one and i doubt Buell goes that route again, like Grumpy said let HD make the touring bikes, leave Buell to the sport oriented bikes R | ||
| SouthernMarine |
If they're going to make an XBT then The gas tank frame needs to be the one that is a little longer, a bit wider, and maybe a bit taller to provide for a bigger tank. No sense in having a tourer if it won't hold that much gas. | ||
| Johncr250 |
Just buy an R1 or GSXR and have more power than you could ever want! | ||
| Doughnut |
No, it's not to much to ask, but if you want it from a Buell, you'll have to work for it. (Not that that is a bad thing.)  | ||
| Easy_rider |
Not only were the "T"'s not great sellers, it turned out to be a poor design. I love the looks of mine, but there's going to be a day when I have to deal with cracks in the bag at the mounting points -- and they had even had S2T experience behind them! I'd love to see a complete assessment of what went wrong but doubt we'll see that or another T come out of Buell. The niche they seem to be shooting for is the track hobbyist, and they hit the mark well from what I see on this site. The few dozen of us that keep asking for something new will probably have to slink off to another mfr once fiberglass, duct tape, and baling wire no longer hold together our old tuber T's. | ||
| Rex |
Yea, vrod motor in a new sport touring frame, with more standard set up. One of the magazines even mentioned that this month...Motorcyclist. He continually hopes Harley applies the same thinking, this engine to a bike with a bit of sport touring intent...and maybe take a couple of thousand off the price. | ||
| Captainkirk |
Don't get me wrong guys; I wasn't implying that I thought the tubers were a step backwards, rather, that BUELL would (as well as the firestarters commonly known to squid kids as "bike rags"-they would be properly mortified. I own a tuber and would not trade it in for a XB platform bike at this point in time. Like Cyclonemick I love my M2. I put 125 miles on it this afternoon and I don't think the grin ever left my face.  In fact, somewhere in the far corners of my mind a jones is building for an ST3. I only hope my wife doesn't find out.... | ||
| Rex |
Of course, my M-3 is almost what you are looking for.....S-3 fairing , six speed tranny, putting on the S-3 bags, 86 hp and 86 foot pounds of torque at the rear wheel....take it any where other bikes go.....cruises the highway great,and handles the curves....rex | ||
| Rocketman |
Hey, how long has Ducati been milking that trellis frame design? Check out the new MV F4, tubular trellis frame. Same for KTM and Aprilla. The italians can't be that wrong Probably why the Italians also manufacture the XB frames too! Rocket | ||
| Midknyte |
Not to mention, the tube frame bikes appear to be less likely to get totaled in relatively minor accidents. I could be very wrong with this statement as it is a casual observation and I have no numbers to back it up. Um, Outrider, you and I, we know something about how the XB will take a minor accident. For that matter, a large accident. Sucker's built like a rock - email me if you need a reminder.  | ||
| Outrider |
MidKnyte...Like I said, "I could be very wrong." Needless to say, I forgot about your incident. Let's just leave it that I prefer tube framed bikes and blame it on my age.  | ||
| Midknyte |
That last model year or two, I thought they looked rather sharp myself. Too tall in the saddle tho (for me to own). | ||
| Johncr250 |
That might be alittle too much to ask for a buell without dumping a ton of cash. | ||
| Captainkirk |
Rex, wasn't your bike in a past issue of Battle2win? |
