| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
In 2007. Where is that discussion where Rocket was deriding Buell for taking too long to develop a new model? What's it been now for KTM, three years? Only three more to wait? How long did you say it should take to develop a new superbike there Sean? I think you said two years. From... http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=10576 For the RC8, we brought our riders to the design table as well as the best technicians and designers. Our aim: The ultimate weapon for am-bitious street-fighters. That means: A radical concentration of its mass around the compact 75° V2. Innovative details are everywhere: The seat is the tank, keeping fuel at the machine’s centre of gravity. Dry sump lubrication allows the entire exhaust system to sit precisely where it has the least influence on dynamics. Directly under the engine. The fairing is designed to produce: The least possible crosswind drag. The result: No crosswind oscillation, spell-binding agility, and aggres-sive steering ability. (Planned start of production 2007)  Note "planned"; don't hold your breath. (Message edited by blake on September 15, 2004) | ||
| Kaudette |
Still a nice Bike / concept. Don't forget the $$$ behind these things and the comparable shallow pockets... | ||
| Cyclonemick |
THe RC8 is one good looking ride. I hope we see it in production at a comparable price! | ||
| Mikej |
Still too edgy and sharp cornered for me. 2007 is becoming one of those significant "magic" dates, EPA stuff coming on-line in the USA, other background stuff beginning to surface. Time will tell, but I suspect the 2007 date for KTM is for press release purposes only, far enough out for prospective purchasers to buy now instead of waiting, close enough for fence hoppers to stay somewhat interested. I'd suspect late 2005 for the actual release if their production facilities are ready and if the engines run clean enough. Just a guess though. There's more to the picture not necessarily bike related. Stay tuned folks.  | ||
| Xb9er |
Since the RC-8 concept bike was introduced, it has drawn me in exactly the same way the Firebolt did when I first saw pictures of it.  My Firebolt is going to be paid off soon and so far, the RC-8 is the only bike I see myself getting to either replace it or join it in my garage. But the Venom is a cool one too:  Mike. | ||
| Outrider |
Check out Alan Cathcart's interview with KTM's Stefan Pierer in the December 2003 issue of Motorcyclist and you will see that this is pretty much according to their previously announced schedule. Good article that tells of the SuperDuke and the V-Twin SuperMoto which are right on time per that interview which most likely occurred at least two months prior to the issue date. The issue also has a "second impression" test ride article by Cathcart concerning the development of the SuperDuke. The early announcement of the new engine and the various bikes they are planning to use it in as well as the timed release of the new models makes good sense for KTM since they are entering market segments that either did not formerly exist or ones that they did not participate in before. However, as I said to Anon and others on the BWB in the past, it may not work for HD or Buell. Incidentally, KTM can take as long as they want as I have a perfectly wonderful X1 that does exactly what I want it to do comfortably and it didn't take much modification to accomplish that. Anything else that I would want in the realm of motorcycling, neither Buell nor HD make. So when the X1 is ready to retire, I will make my selection among the models available at the time. In the interim, I will digest all the information I can concerning the new models, both concept and production, so I can make a quick informed decision. | ||
| Glitch |
The seat is the tank And we were beaten up about fuel capacity? Must be wide, 'cause it ain't deep. Can't remember where, but I read somewhere Kenny Roberts bought the engine for his bikes. I hope they get it going. I like it when more come to the table and challenge the "norm" | ||
| Outrider |
I read somewhere Kenny Roberts bought the engine for his bikes. So did Erik Buell until the Engine Vendor bought his company. Ewwww...I am going to get flamed for this one. | ||
| Tucsonxb9s |
http://www.motorcycleusa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=1366&Page=1 Another article about the incoming KTM's. Definitely different. I like the "Super Duke":  | ||
| Careyj |
Since no one wants to buy my S2, looks like she'll hold me over till the RC8 comes out, I will buy the RC8!!!! | ||
| Budo |
I was talking to a KTM dealer about the RC8. His impression is that KTM is so busy building dirt bikes that they can't spare any production to persue the SuperDuke and RC8. Their current production line is their bread and butter and they can't afford to not build those bikes when demand is so high. I think I read that KTM is the third in volume dirt bike sold in the US now. | ||
| Rocketman |
KTM is the fastest growing motorcycle company in Europe. They already outsell BMW for example. Blake, you may remind me of my deriding Buell because I still will. Buell I'm constantly told everywhere I look are the innovators in motorcycles. They have this funky system that mounts a perimeter brake disc to the inside of the rim. They've mastered some clever technology to get their XB platform to the size of a 250 GP bike and with the steepest head angle know to man and machine. The list goes on and on. Big freekin deal. Buell are the worlds wealthiest motorcycle company, or is that part of it, yet they can't build a racing bike worth pi5sing in a pot for, yet it is their founders passion in life. God help us if Mr Buell takes up fishing. We'll catch nowt but a fcuking cold. Mr Buell comes here often, always supporting most vigorously, and defending I might add, the Buell race efforts by various outlets. Why the fcuk isn't King Kenny putting Mr Buell's talents into one of his race bikes? Whilst Mr Buell is running his busy I'm sure motorcycle endeavours, KTM have already had their V4 GP motor tested in a real Moto GP bike around a real GP circuit by a for real GP rider. Took 'em what, all of less than two years. When Buell, or Harley for that matter, quit their fcuking greed trip, maybe I'll start blowing smoke up their arse proper. Meanwhile, I might continue praising the socks off my S1W. Maybe, just maybe. And finally, compared to my 10 year old 916, the build and material quality of my 6 year old S1W is dog shite. What gets me about that is I can only imagine how much more profit per unit sold Buell make more than what Ducati do. Still, to this day the price of a current model new Buell makes a Ducati a real bargain. The City X, I really like that see through tank. Lots of race inspiration there. Which Moto GP will I see that sat upon next season. I hear it's good for at least 10bhp. Rocket | ||
| Black_sunshine |
Rocket.....why so bitter? How come you think every bike has to be a race bike? WHy can't you just have a motorcycle that is cool and fun to ride and serves a certain purpose? The CityX is exactly what the name implies, FOr commuting through the City. Do they all really need have a replica version that looks like every other squid on the road. I'm not knocking just a thought to consider. | ||
| Sshbsn |
I don't think Rocket's bitter. Looks like another case of DOS (Ducati owners' syndrome).I hear those bikes make your butt hurt so badly you turn just plain mean and petty.  | ||
| Xb9er |
Rocket isn't bitter. It's just a shame that the truly innovative and ground breaking XB doesn't have the modern, world class, V-Twin powerplant that it deserves. Imagine a motor like the LC-8 in an XB_R competing in World Superbike, for instance. That would be cool. Eric Buell thinks outside the box, unfortunately H-D owns that box. Just my stupid opinions. What do I know? Mike. | ||
| Rocketman |
Rocket isn't bitter. It's just a shame that the truly innovative and ground breaking XB doesn't have the modern, world class, V-Twin powerplant that it deserves. Imagine a motor like the LC-8 in an XB_R competing in World Superbike, for instance. That would be cool. Eric Buell thinks outside the box, unfortunately H-D owns that box. Spoken like a true genious. Thanks Mike, that's exactly my point. Rocket | ||
| Blake |
I asked a simple question which you dodged entirely choosing instead to launch into an attack agaist Buell motorcycles. I see your bipolar switch has once again tripped to the "be a dick" setting. Try again but please first flip your bipolar switch to the "thoughtful upbeat Sean" setting... How long did you say it should take to develop a new superbike there Sean? I think you said two years. | ||
| Spudman |
Blake ... why you pickin on Rocket? You challenge him at the start of the thread with a "be a dick" kind of tone, then chastise him for responding. You deserve a brick in the nose. Rocket is a good bloke and is entitled to his opinion. At least KTM is giving us something to drool over. Where is Buell's concept bike? Do you think they will EVER do a concept bike for the public? | ||
| Xb9er |
Yes, it was a simple question, but also a LOADED question. Don't pick on Rocket. Mike. | ||
| Tucsonxb9s |
Why is there so much damn hostility lately?? So many he said she said posts...it's getting old. So KTM is behind Rocket's estimated schedule. Who cares? What matters to me being a MOTORCYCLE enthusiast is that there are more interesting things on the horizon with ALL manufacturers. It just means more selection for us. The Buell bashing gets real old too, but some of the posts that are being interpreted that way aren't necessarily so. Some are just comments and wishes that Erik and the mothership could see whats around the corner and prepare for it. We can beg and plead for a true world class v-twin powered Buell can't we? Okay...I'll get down now.  | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
i know this is a litle off topic, but one of the things i love about my buell is it still has that hot rod rumbell insted of a pissed off bumbel bee sound that all these water cooled bikes have. so that would be that only way i would get another bike is if it sounded as good as a buell/h-d. even though this ktm rc8 looks pretty neet, but i emagine it to sound more like a duc that a buell so that would be a big turn off for me. | ||
| Xb9er |
Yes We Can!!!! Mike. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
whats not world class about the engine in it now? | ||
| Xb9er |
Thanks for bringing us back on topic F020283. I forgot this was the RC-8 bashing thread.  The RC-8 is going to sound like a V-Twin. That will be good enough for me. Mike. | ||
| Xb9er |
whats not world class about the engine in it now? Can you say Honda RC-51? Mike. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
so it will sound rummbley insted of like a pissed off bee | ||
| Midknyte |
more fuel for the fire http://www.990superduke.com/media/impressions/vid/01_filme.wmv | ||
| Mikej |
The insurance rate on that thing just went up by a factor of five before it even hits the stores. By the way, which guy won the fight, the taller or shorter one? | ||
| Mikej |
By the way, is the bike in the video the same one that's not supposed to be available until 2007????? | ||
| Mikej |
Also by the way, somebody left the backdoor open: http://www.990superduke.com/media/specials/wallpaper/ |
