| Author | Message | ||
     Spiderman |
If I came to your house, and you asked me to take my shoes off before I came in, and I just said, "hey, I like my shoes and I don't want to," and trompted around in any manner that pleased me, would you be happy?} But what happenes when I am the only person not wearin the shoes and all you other "closer" and "slower" friends are? People do this plenty of times. I know I have at least three I can rememmber. Heck go on the XBoard an see how many requests for Glitch to do a pic! I'm goin over to SacBorg more fun over there latley.} | ||
| Doughnut |
I think that Blake is upset that people are using the board as their personal messenger. Need to get some info from you, it can wait until tuesday or wednesday tho. Could call your cell, but screw it & enjoy your extended weekend. Tell Penny I said hi. Talk to you later. That is not meant to be a thread. That is a message that should have, could have been sent through email or phone. Though I do think banning is a bit extreme. | ||
| M2me |
What if the host asked you to remove your shoes and you did remove your shoes. Then the host asked you if you lined up your shoes neatly and you said, "No, I just took 'em off and left them on the porch like everybody else." Then the host said, "Get out!" Wouldn't you expect a lot of puzzled faces from the rest of the guests? It's all about the shoes!  | ||
| BadS1 |
Well Socoken the matter of fact no. You'd pay me to wear my shoes in your house I own a cleaning service as in carpet cleaning I get paid to do it.LOL.....Sheesh....Anyways Blake own's the sight and he's opened it up for the world to use.He's not opening up the front door to his house for the world to use.I think Blake should maybe spend more time with Pot Head.Since he's caused more problem's in one month then Dyna has in 4.At least Dyna doesn't go around threatning board members. (Message edited by bads1 on September 05, 2004) | ||
| Daves |
Newfie, Your stuff is on it's way. Thanks for the business! Dave | ||
| Blake |
The way I see it, this BadWeB admin made a simple polite request that instead of simply being honored was met with argumentative, confrontational, smart mouth obstinance.
The above are the terms to which each user must agree before gaining the ability to participate in discussions here. All I ask is a little cooperation and respect. I'm now at a point where this site is becoming more aggravation than joy for me. Especially with all cheerleader critics. You all are perfectly free to start your own discussion forum and run it any way you see fit. If you choose to frequent this site, all I ask is simple courtesy and consideration. Not much to ask is it? Thanks for standing by me Ken. I appreciate that more than you can know. Running this forum is largely a thankless job. Apparently we're doing something right. Traffic and the user count is booming and the bandwith is through the roof. It won't be long before we'll need dual servers to handle the traffic. Life is great for me. I wish life were great for Greg too. Maybe this time out for him will be valuable. It is not the first time he's crossed the line with board policy, hopefully it will be the last. You all should know that I don't just admonish Greg when he gets out of line. I make it a point to aplaude him for positive upbeat contributions too. This is not personal. If I make a request concerning content or decorum on the board and anyone here refuses to honor it, they will be suspended. Pretty simple policy. If some have posted similar topics, I must have missed them. I am not able to monitor the entirety of the board. Donnie, If you insist on plaguing this site I will be forced to contact your internet service provider and have your account terminated. If you post on this site again, I promise you that I will persue that remedy. Your choice. | ||
| M2me |
Why did Daves start that thread about what people are doing this weekend? Shouldn't have that been handled through e-mail? Daves should be banned. Who's with me? While we're at it we might as well ban his wife too. Another one is this M2me. He posts some long-winded story about how he got caught in the rain. Who cares? Does he think this is own personal web site? I say, ban him too! | ||
| Newfie_buell |
I think the two boys should just take it to a track on two pocket bikes and let the games begin!!!!!! I'd pay money to see that one!!! | ||
| M2me |
If some have posted similar topics, I must have missed them. We all know that people post similar topics all the time! Some of us, rightly or wrongly, feel that Dyna/Greg has been treated unfairly on this topic. He does something, posts a personal message for Dave, and is punished for it while we all know that other people do the same thing all the time and are not punished. Some of us perceive that as singly out Dyna/Greg. BadWeb does get a lot of traffic and posts. If there is a problem with the number and content of threads that people are creating, then it's only fair to state that for everybody. It's unfair to single out one person for punishment. | ||
| M2me |
That message is meant for one of your sponsors..not you. Its a business deal between he & I. Blake, you took this and made it "argumentative, confrontational, smart mouth obstinance". It could have been taken as simply informational. Don't blame others for the way you take things. | ||
| BadS1 |
Amen!!!! | ||
| Blake |
If anyone objects to the way I administer the board, I suggest you cease participation here, immediately. | ||
| Charlieboy6649 |
While the content of the post was not inappropriate, the nature of the post was. I agree it was just silly. Would you all be a little pissed at me if I posted "Hi Mikel" on every board here just to make sure he saw it? Of course you would. I see this as no different. I'm with soco on this one. It's Blakes house, obide by his rules...  | ||
| Blake |
Thank you Charlie. I'd say BadWeB is home to all of us Buell enthusiasts, so BadWeB is in effect everyone's house here. I am however the chief jerk in charge of how the place is run, the BadWeB Sergeant At Arms so to speak. Don't like it? Leave. Pretty simple huh. | ||
| M2me |
That's fine Blake but you have to be aware of how a number of us Buell enthusiasts feel about Dyna. We know that he can be a major PIA sometimes but guess what? Call us crazy, but we like the PIA! Can't you work it out somehow? Yes, you run the place but take a poll on Dyna. You'd be surprised at the support he'd get! A lot of us support him and don't feel what he said on this topic was a big deal. Do you really want a core group of Buell enthusiasts to leave? | ||
| 2k4xb12 |
I've got to side with Blake on this one. Well before the Internet, I used to run a BBS, and I had some pretty big phone bills (there was NO affordable broadband at the time, and even then, it was only ISDN) associated with running it. I can appreciate the expenses involved -- I recall getting stuck in the middle of a memory shortage as a result of a massive silicon plant fire in Japan. I had made a decision to upgrade from 8MB of memory to 16MB (hey, at the time, that was huge!). I hadn't heard of the plant fire, so after selling my 8MB of memory for $200 USED, I went to buy the new memory and was shocked at what was happening to the prices. I ended up biting the bullet and paying $720 for 16MB of memory! I had to get the BBS back up, so I had no choice. I never banned anybody, but can appreciate the effort and expense that Blake puts forth for this site, and afterall, it's his house. Go ahead and take your shoes off if that's what he's asking you to do. That is, unless you're paying for his carpet. That's essentially what Daves is doing by being a sponsor, so from where I stand, I don't have a problem with sponsors getting a little extra privilege with regards to posting practices. Sorry for the ramble -- just venting... (Message edited by 2k4xb12 on September 05, 2004) | ||
| BadS1 |
Thats almost like saying a cop up holds the law so its ok for them to speed or break the law. | ||
| Dbird29 |
Blake, Do you take Paypal for board donations? What is the ratio of bitch'n vs. non-bitch'n folks that have contributed to the board? Thanks for keeping this board different from the Sacborg and LABusas of the world. I like having predominantly Buell content and the knowledge base. DBird | ||
| 2k4xb12 |
Dana -- do you think they DON'T speed or break the law? Ever heard of professional courtesy? Of course they speed and break the law. Of course they shouldn't, but when they do, and they identify themselves, their bretheren tend to extend professional courtesy and send them on their way. On the other hand, you're saying that cops should practice what they preach. I don't see Blake violating his own rules, do you? | ||
| Outrider |
I enjoyed reading Blake's response. It is fair and the same applied to others that for whatever reason get in deep yogurt. Perhaps you all missed a key phrase that he used. He referred to this action as a "Time Out." Considering the contemporary definition, I get the feeling that this is something that Blake and Dyna can resolve offline. It is good to see everyone's comments as there are a lot of lessons to be learned from them. We all have the propensity to make mistakes on occasion. Some have more control that others. Some just are a bit more emotional and quick to post. Plenty of times I know I either should have said something differently or not at all. I appreciate those of you that understand this tendency that a lot of us seem to share and take it with the proverbial grain of salt. Hopefully, Blake and Dyna will reach an understanding, mutually resolve their issues and live happily ever after. | ||
| Crip2nite |
I love reading the stories, the confrontations, the incredible knowledge of the participants and the many situations that have been rectified from this site. I come straight to BWB in the mornings b4 work w/my coffee in hand. It is a great idea and I'll take both good and bad with it!. This is how life works. If you can dish it out then you better be able to take it. I know I have! I have no enemies(I hope)and. I have gotten put in my place a few times(and believe you me, I know I deserved it). But all you guys have definitely helped me a lot as this is the first Buell I've had and need to be filled with your knowledge. Everybody just lighten up and enjoy the site even if it's for the entertainment alone. You can always sign out and come back after you've gathered your thoughts and realize that we all make asses of ourselves at one time or another! We're all adults here and really don't need to be punished for our mistakes.(There are far more serious situations in our life for that)!! | ||
| BadS1 |
Amen!!!! | ||
| Court |
>>>>BadWeb does get a lot of traffic and posts. That's an accurate statement...an INCREDIBLY accurate statement. Badweb processes more traffic that ALL other Buell related internet sites combined (that's a guess and seems quite obvious...feel free to waste your holiday gathering data to prove it wrong.) Few folks here appreciate the time, effort and money it takes to maintain Badweb. Sponsors have now (note use of word NOW) underwritten the cost allowing Blake to do this for FREE on his own time w/o footing the entire bill. That's good. Badweb has served as a shining star in illustrating the power or leveraged information. Several years ago, TEAM ELVESwas spawned, dubbed by one of the staff at the Bonneville Salt Flats as "the most organized team to ever arrive at the Salt and that includes Vance & Hines". TEAM ELVES became a major exporter of World Land Speed Records from UT doing what Moto Guzzi and BMW Teams (arguably with some "factory backing" - although it it argued that the "factory providing the bike is not backing"  could not do. TEAM ELVES brought folks together from 8 countries around the world and made a shining example of the power of online collaboration. Name for me one other company that has shut down their production line to throw a party for a group of private customers? Badweb and Buell are leaders in innovation. TEAM ELVES has also taken home Land Speed Record trophies at Gardinier Lake in Australia. To appreciate Blake's mindset, I submit that some of the new (less than 3 years on this board) folks lack an appreciation for some of the flaming attacks Blake (and others) have endured. I like Greg, but he has way too much free time on his hands, an acerbic tone and a propensity to blame others. The level of the use of language, several years ago, had "guttered out" thus spawning the likes of SacBORG and it's more liberal policies. Some of you remember ATC. I remember it and about a dozen pseudo clubs/sites that preceded it. Badweb, rivaled only by CompuServe "Ride" motorcycle forum excels in both it's ability to truly benefit Buell riders, as opposed to being a gripe board, and as a source of good information. Badweb has done what not even Buell could, and wants to, do. Raise your hands if you remember the "Owners Chat Section" on the Buell (www.buell.com) site in 1995? Bottom line is that Blake has invested tremendously to create and perpetuate Badweb from the mailing list we once had to THE source of online Buell information. In order to protect the future interests of this site, we must have rules and guidelines. Every attempt is made to enforce these uniformly, subject to your interpretation of uniform and an individuals past demonstration of taunting and sticking their toe across the line. To those of you willing to participate under these guidelines, I say WELCOME and I pledge to contribute all I can, with 20 years and 44 states of Buell experience, to make your Buell ownership and fellowship experience wonderful. To those not willing to abide by the rules, please leave. Now please don't misread that, it's not an angry or confrontational statement. You will not enjoy your time here and it will be wasted. There are many other Buell sites that cater to a wider, less regulated dialogue. Some of these are very good sites. Anyway....that's my take on it. My personal guide will be that I expect Badweb to continue to have content that it if viewed by my kids at home (the good old days) or my associates at work, would cause me no problems. Court | ||
| Blake |
John, Then leave. Please. You obviously don't like the way this board is administered, so you and all those who feel the same as you should absolutely leave. To remain would compromise your integrity. KC, Definitely more serious situations in life. There is no punishment involved in this one. There is a defense of basic board policy, so that when a board custodian makes a simple request of a user, the user honor said request. Pretty simple huh. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Remember there is a Karma aspect to the whole thing here as well. Dyna had an explicit goal coming here, which was to inflict as much damage on Buell and Harley Davidson corporate as possible. It was part of his legal strategy to... well, complain as much as possible apparently. If his strategy was to get his bike fixed, he failed a long time ago, and would have quit. I think he makes a hobby of bitching apparently. The only wrinkle here is that I, and no doubt others, actually came to like the guy in spite of all this. But just because I like him, does not mean that he is free to express a one man campaign against Buell on a Buell enthusiasts board. Originally, he did it by just trashing Buell. He has since become more subtle, and instead trys to steal the joy of every Buell owner by continually describing why his Yamaha is better whenever somebody says something positive about Buell. This is a Buell enthusiasts site. Bad things happen, and we want to hear about it, because we can likely help make things a lot better. But if you don't want to make things better, move along, we don't want to listen to you whining (no matter how sophisticated it is). If someones goal is to inflict PR damage on Buell, why one earth would we let them continue to post on a Buell enthusiasts site? Take it to the R1 forums, they will love to hear it there. An awful thing happened to Dyna. Dyna was interested in inflicting return pain, not solving the problem, and rushed headlong down a road that will prevent any kind of satisfying result for *anyone*. We are tired of participating, be it overt ("don't buy a Buell, they will spontaneously explode destroying entire villages" or subtle ("You are an idiot for being happy on a Buell, my R1 is faster". IMHO | ||
| Blake |
You guys are not helping. As much as I hate it, Greg is suspended not for his negative tone or for expressing views contrary to mine. He is suspended for refusing to honor a simple request. | ||
| Ftd |
Reepiheep, well said. Blake, you have a great site which has provided many of us with a wealth of useful information and many hours of entertainment. Keep up the good work! Frank | ||
| Sardawg2dpd |
I take no sides here. I have only met Dyna once and have never met Blake. But here's the thing. Blake and Admin run this page, if they decide to do something, why should they have to explane their actions to us? They have their reasons and their rules. If they feel someone violated them then do what needs to be done. If it means a simple time out or a complete banning. These are the rules and thats the way it is so lets all get over it and get back to what is most important here, riding and working on a wonderful machine they call Buell's. Just MHO. SAR | ||
| Sardawg2dpd |
Oh yes, one more thing, Blake I must thank you for the website, it has provided me with alot more knowledge of my bike then I ever thought I would have. Thanks again | ||
| Crip2nite |
Blake...Understood!  |
