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Pammy
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 06:39 pm: | 
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"I see putting soap in your mouth was not an enjoyable thing. It wouldn't make you like your brother. Taking away your TV watching time would be a better solution?"
No it would not and that is my point exactly....She was only torturing me at that point. It didn't bring us to her ultimate goal, which was for me to love my brother unconditionally.I don't have any ill feelings toward my Mom for that incident at all. She was doing what she thought was right as I am sure you do with your own children.
Would you put soap in your childs mouth or eyes for that matter in order to 'teach' them a lesson? Did you not find that a bizarre 'tradition' that was quite common in that day and time? I thought you would think it very peculiar and maybe you would see why I think spanking a child would be just as ridiculous. |
Pammy
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 06:42 pm: |
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If we are all animals as you believe and need to be trained by spanking as you believe, show me one obedience school for dogs that uses your method.
Circus animals are the only animals that are trained that way and they are kept in cages... |
Pammy
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 06:45 pm: |
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I am sorry if I offended anyone with my statements. I will try to refrain from this discussion further...please just type amongst yourselves...
If one person thinks about what I said before or during a spanking session on a child and lightens up a bit, I am a happy woman. |
Phillyblast
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 07:35 pm: |
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Pammy,
Do you use positive marker training?
with the dogs, of course. 
btw when I was a kid, like 11 or so, I got accused by my parents of doing something i didn't do - something stupid, like moving my dad's drill. The belt came out, because they thought I lied, and said they'd keep hitting me until I confessed. I didn't do it, I wouldn't admit to something I didn't do, so dad kept going until he got tired. Ruined my relationship with my parents. Still have problems with them to this day. Get along with them but still have problems respecting them sometimes. I plan on raising my kids differently. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 07:43 pm: |
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Seems to be two forms of misbehavior, maybe each deserves its own form of discipline.
1. SERIOUS blatant willful open disobedience such as a small child refusing to stay off the street, playing with fire, torturing the family pet, causing injury to others. Spank! It may be vital to protect their life.
2. Other less serious undesirable behavior such as described by Pammy above. A more thoughtful nonviolent psychological approach is best.
The tough thing about disciplining children and adolescents is that parents must be absolutely consistent and resolute in executing their parental duties. I see too many who threaten, and threaten, and threaten, and threaten. The child soon learns that the threats are hollow and may be ignored with little to no consequence.
Number one is that no matter a parent's preferred method of discipline, he/she MUST consistently follow through with it.
I've only ever raised a Border Collie and an Australian Shepherd. Interestingly, the same principles apply.
Don't believe me? Go to your cage! And don't even think about ever leaving the yard! ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif)
Pammy, Court, and all parents of well adjusted productive children,
Thanks for a job well done! You are far better people than me. |
Pammy
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 07:47 pm: |
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"they'd keep hitting me"
Now try to remember....was it hitting, or spanking? Did it 'hurt' or just get you attention? Was that the only consequence you understood? What did you learn?
Now I am being mean...sorry, I'll go slap myself...oh excuse me "spank" myself(man that doesn't even SOUND right) |
Pammy
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 07:51 pm: |
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"The tough thing about disciplining children and adolescents is that parents must be absolutely consistent and resolute in executing their parental duties."
That is my view of the job description! And don't be fooled. It is a job...the MOST IMPORTANT job you would ever have. |
Phillyblast
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 09:46 pm: |
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Iffin' I 'member right, 2" belt, so it qualifies as hitting. Got my attention, all right. Learn? hehe. I guess it explains the stubborn streak. Oh, you're going to fire me unless I admit to something I didn't do? well Fsck off and fire me then. 'bout the only other thing I learned was a healthy distrust of authority. explains my stunning rise through the corporate ladder. NOT.
And if you're going to spank yourself please post pics. Oh wait, this isn't Sacborg. Never mind |
Softailbuell
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 10:40 pm: |
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The primary difference between "Discipline" and "Beating" is intent. The secondary difference it that the child being disciplined understands the reason why he/she is being disciplined.
I don't spank my children for everything - in reality it's the last resort after all other restrictions, loss of privledges, etc have failed.
In fact the golden rule around here is logic and reason. IF they want to do something, they have to reason it to us and be prepared to defend it logically.
The only circumstance that doesn't apply (for us) is personal safety, and then it's a swat/tap to the back of the head just hard enough to get their attention and stop them from doing what they were doing so that it can be explained calmly why they shouldn't do that. And by safety we're talking situations where "don't touch that it's hot." *child ignores you and gets a boo-boo followed by "Hurts like heck huh? bet you won't do that again" wouldn't be appropriate.
The last time I did that was when one of them decided the grill wasn't burning hot enough and went to go pour more lighter fluid on the already lit grill.
While I understand your point of view, and can respect it Pam, I disagree. |
Shky_jake
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 11:03 pm: |
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I do not have any kids other than 2 American Cocker Spaniels. I do have niece and nephew, when they are at my house they now my simple rules and when they fail to follow them I sit them down and ask them why they did what they did. I do not take "I don't know" for an answer. Then I take away a fun thing that we were going to do and make them help me clean or we exercise till it is no longer fun for them. It normally takes up to an hour. Then they are more behaved. When they are at their home my brother has a hard time with them. They are more behaved at my house. One reason I think is that my wife and I do not yell at them like their parents tend to do. Now for my "children" a quick swat with a rolled up newspaper on the but gets their attention real quick. |
Phatkidwit1eye
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 12:21 pm: |
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Rick_a
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 06:26 pm: |
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I've been disciplined and I've been beat. You better believe there is a world of a difference. The physical punishment given as discipline I can look back on and feel was well deserved and quite effective. Being beat, however...that's something no child deserves no matter what the offense.
That's my take and all I have to say on the subject. |
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