| Author | Message | ||
     SouthernMarine |
Anyone seen this? For those who have been asking for it, it's coming. Gordon vs Schumacher | ||
| Blake |
Cool. | ||
| Nedwreck |
Michael will kick his butt. At least I hope so. Roundy round sucks. Bob | ||
| Blake |
NASCAR side-by-side racing offers a lot of excitement for the spectators and other advantages over road course racing. An oval based circuit allows the fans in attendance to view the entire circuit. It is no minor feat to race competitively for 400, 500, or even 600 miles at speed in a NEXTEL Cup car. So have some respect. It is also one of the most dangerous forms of motorsports. Jeff Gordon and his partner Jimmy Johnson won the same competition in 2002. Gordon besides being a repeat NASCAR Cup champion is also a road course specialist. | ||
| SouthernMarine |
Right now, between the two, I would say that the advantage goes to Gordon. Chances are there is someone else in the race who will have more of an advantage than either one. | ||
| M1combat |
I believe the advantage goes to Schumacher. I don't believe Gordon has much experience with Formula type cars. I don't really think he'll be able to take full advantage of the downforce. Also, I think that Schumacher holds a very definite advantage in developing a setup. I don't know how much leeway they have with their setups, but I'd bet that given the same adjustments that Schumacher will be able to come up with something better. If they are limited, I think he has the better ability to drive to a cars limitations. Then again, he drives a car w/ nearly no limitations ATM compared to the simple NASCAR that Gordon drives. I don't mean to knock circle track racing, but the cars a far more simple as far as adjustment and the fact that you only need to make it turn one direction. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I think it's kind of dumb. I think Jeff may have the advantage because it geared more to the style he races. Put them on a full road course and Mike will kick his @ss. I think NASCAR is more popular here because for other than the fact it's a totally American series, people from here don't understand the stratagies of F-1 and people here like to see things crash. It's all hipe that race and proves nothing. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
They will race on a special figure-eight style dirt-and-paved track inside Stade de France, a 70,000-seat soccer stadium in Paris. The drivers will compete in single-seater formula cars, Ferrari sports cars and World Rally Championship cars. Gordon has many years of experience racing all types of cars including dirt track. He may very well have the advantage here. the simple NASCAR that Gordon drives. I don't mean to knock circle track racing, but the cars a far more simple as far as adjustment and the fact that you only need to make it turn one direction. Takes a lot of athleticism to drive those cars at those speeds. Plus dont forget Gordon is probably the #1 guy in nascar for the Road race courses at Watkins glen & Sears point. | ||
| Rocketman |
Sad to say so but there is no man alive on the planet that has Schumacher's ability behind the wheel. Go back 15 years and Schumacher would be up against Alain Prost, Nigel Mansell and the late great Ayrton Senna. That's the race I'd want to see. Schumacher up against the those three who cut their teeth in F1 when F1 cars were big with fat tyres and 1200+ bhp and stick shift. I don't think I'm on my own (by about 50 million people) when I say this but Schumacher has ruined F1. Rocket | ||
| M1combat |
I don't agree that Schumacher has ruined F1... Maybe Ecclestone has? Did you watch Spa? That was a good race, but nowhere NEAR as good as the superbikes the other day at Assen... Beautiful stuff there. Saw some Irish road racing on Motorsport Mundial that was quite good too... | ||
| SouthernMarine |
I'm not a fan of Gordon, but from what I've seen of him, and know of his history, he has the advantage. Gordon has been in the seat of an F1.
1st time in the car and he's clocking times as fast as one of the best in their field. Different track, different cars, hell, World of Outlaws champ could come out on top. Wait, Gordon was racing them when he was like 15 yrs old, something like that. | ||
| M1combat |
I don't mean to say he has no talent... Far from it. I just think he doesn't exactly have what it takes to make seven world championships. Quite frankly... Those cars that day... Either of them could win it (or any of the others), but I think that if you were to run Schumacher and Gordon for full seasons in whatever motorsport you want (excluding F1 and NASCAR) you would find that Schumacher would come out on top. Just my opinion... | ||
| SouthernMarine |
Gordon is 33yrs old. Four-time Winston Cup champion (1995, 1997, 1998, 2001) Two-time Daytona 500 winner (1997, 1999) Three-time Brickyard 400 winner (1994, 1998, 2001) Five-time Southern 500 winner (1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2002) 1997 Winston Million winner Four-time Winston No Bull 5 winner Three-time champion of The Winston (1995, 1997, 2001) Holds a record seven road course victories. Has won 69 races in the Winston/Nextel Cup races. If Gordon had raced F1, I seriously doubt that Schumacher would have those 7 world titles. First time he hops in an F1 and it takes him no time at all to get familiar with it. Kinda scary when you think about it. Like I said, not a Gordon fan, but that's a pretty impressive record for a 33yr old. Oh, and right now he has the points lead in the Nextel Cup Series. | ||
| M1combat |
Of course that's impressive... Schumacher however has MORE titles than that and more wins than that just in F1. He used to race Group C, DTM, ETCC and Karts as well. He was legendary in Group C which required VERY careful fuel management just like NASCAR. A lot of folks feel that is where he truly honed his skills of being able to take a car to whatever level he wants including over the limit and making it work lap after lap. I'm not exactly a Schumacher fan, but certainly an F1 and Ferrari fan although I tend to root for Toyota and Ranault. I like to see Ferrari win too though. | ||
| Rocketman |
Since Schumacher's, therefore Ferrari's too, dominance in F1, the most watched TV event in the world, millions have switched off. F1 use to have an audience of around 80 million TV viewers per race. I can't quote the figures because I've never seen them, but it is often heard said from commentators and the press about the loss of many millions of spectators. Ecclestone and Mosely have openly spoken of this too, everywhere, when they have refered to making the racing less boring to bring back the viewers. I've loved F1 for years, but lost interest after Senna died. I hung around for three or four years, watching Hill and Villeneuve take titles. Ditto Hakkinen for a while, but that got boring too, especially when he cried. I saw F1 for what it had become (to the drivers at least). Squabbling pre-pubesent school boys playing power games behind a steering wheel. When Irvine joined forces with Ferrari, after the great Alesi - who was given a poor car in comparison to his team mate golden boy - I was interested in how Schumacher would go. Fortunately, yes fortunately, Schumacher broke his leg at Silverstone and would you believe it, with no team orders (or mate) Irvine shone. Remember what happened next? Schumacher came back for the last two races of the season, just in time to halt Irvine from taking Ferrari's first world title in 23 years. I watched those last two races, just like you did, and I saw not a sportsman behind the wheel of a great Ferrari, but a self centered racing driver who'd just helped STOP his team mate from stealing the glory that he thought belong to him. Well he's got the glory now but for me F1 is tarnished and will remain so until a new generation of drivers and cars emerges. Ayrton Senna fought hard against the greats for his three titles. Piquet, Prost, Mansell, and then some. Schumacher's rise to F1 glory was always, and still is, easier. Question is, would I buy another Ferrari? Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Oh yeah M1, don't rub it in please  . I missed Assen because I was sojurning next door in France - without a TV! Spa must have been great. Someone else won! Rocket | ||
| Todd_martin |
MS may win out over Gordon in they went head to head long term in some series. Again he may not. For the event they are doing this year, I think Gordon has the edge. The series is different than what both of them do, but I think it is closer to Gordon's background the MS. With the short time they have with the series to get up to speed the advantage goes to Gordon. Of course on the other hand MS has the championship locked, so he could spend some of his leisure time learning about that type of racing while Gordon is busy fighting for a 5th. | ||
| M1combat |
"I missed Assen because I was sojurning next door in France - without a TV! " It was excellent F1 (although I too was watching in the early 90's and yeah, that was just plain good racing...). Montoya actually made a pass on Schumacher in anger at the re-designed bus stop  . He tried the same thing with ?Alonso? and turned Alonso around when he shut the door. The last four laps were a sprint due to a safety car incident but Schumacher let Kimi drive away. He clinched the title that day anyway... Did you watch ?Spain? where Schumacher won on four stops? He gained something like 23 seconds on the field in 11 laps just to make sure he could make his last stop and come out in front. | ||
| Bomber |
I have no idea who will win (I'm thinkin NASCAR guys are far more talented than most F1 fans give em credit for), but the event reminds me of the old SUperbiker series from decades ago . . . the grandaddy of todays Supermotard races -- it would be a very cool series, no mater who won - every race sactioning body could do a lot worse than take a page or three fout of France's book (the family, not the country), as they've taken a sport with only a regional following and turned it into an entertainment powerhouse that's making money faster than the law allows | ||
| Blake |
I think Mat Mladin would win.  Really, AMAPR should take a page from the France's book. | ||
| Rocketman |
M1, 23 seconds after 4 stops is exactly what's wrong with F1. I want to see race cars being driven by racing drivers from start to finish, preferably with no pit stops. Whilst clever, I'm not interested in how smart Jean Todt is at balancing his fuel consumption with his strategy allowing his Ferrari to beat the other guys out there. Pit stops are fine, to a point, but four stops in a no more than 2 hour pinnacle of motor sport race is plain bloody stupid. That's why we have endurance racing. I want to see OVERTAKING! Speaking of, isn't it kinda propaganda like when in F1 they speak of overtaking these days? They sell you the race by the 10 passes made during the race. To me, overtaking means several cars changed places frequently, like in the old days. One car, then another and another, and so on, passing along a long line is pity full if that's the modern interpretation of overtaking during an F1 race. Hell, I've watched enough Indy Car racing in the past to know that big open wheelers can overtake in the time honoured fashion I prefer. Rocket | ||
| Bomber |
rocket -- if overtaking is your thing, come on over and catch a Mile or TT next years -- those guys pass on straights, inside, outside, upside, downside, no pit stops, you'd love it | ||
| Piggos |
Or for that matter Sprint cars, preferably non-wing. It isn't unusual to see three leaders in a single half-mile lap. 1200 lbs, 700+ bhp, and no transmission or clutch. By the way, Gordon is a seasoned sprint car guy. If there's a dirt segment to this race, my money is on him. | ||
| Rocketman |
I'm sure I'd enjoy those disciplines but we are talking F1. I've loved F1 for years, but not for the last half dozen or so. It's to much of a precession these past few years, with much focus placed on beating one car one man, race after race after race. Schumacher's not unbeatable but he does have the fortune of having the very best machinery every freekin race. If Schumacher wants to race me around the backwaters of Yorkshire in the middle of the night, providing he chooses a comparable car in weight and power to my little TVR, I'd beat him! Rocket | ||
| Rocketsprink |
 No offense Rocket, but I really hope your kidding.I suppose if they gave you a few laps in HIS car at say Spa, you'd lap as fast as him! That's a good one! By the way, did that English reporter ever do his nude lap yet that he said he would after Kimmi won? | ||
| Rocketman |
sprink, why would I be kidding? I'm a master of the streets. Especially at night when it's dark. I play out late often. Your mate Michael 'll be well tucked up in bed when I'm out honing my skills. Whats he drive per race weekend? 300 miles or so. Maybe 350, 16 times a year plus testing, and all in a specialist vehicle and on a level playing field and he never does it in the dark! I'd do similar mileage in a few months, nearly every mile unpredictable. I'd beat him hands down, especially in the dark and with oncoming traffic. Could I lap as fast as Schumacher at any given track if I were driving his car? Weighted the same I don't see why not. Give me enough time in the car and I'd put a fast one in, no problem. Ask me the same if it were Rossi, or any top flight rider for that matter, and I was on their bike, I'd never get anywhere near, though I'd enjoy trying. Rocket |
