| Author | Message | ||
     Uwgriz |
This subject has crossed at least four threads as of my last count so I'm saying move it all here. The original conversation went like this: 172 mph! thread Blake: How about this... Me and my race rubber shod Cyclone on any track versus you on your R1 with street tires? That might be a good race even at Road America. Who do you think would win, assuming we are relatively equal in ability? Dyna: R1. With equal riders the rubber wouldnt make that big of a difference at a big hp track like RA. Blake: Heheheheh. Not only wrong but so wrong you wouldn't believe it. Track day recap thread Dyna: Blake, you aint got a hope in hell of keeping up with the R1 on the track...race rubber or not. The way it looks to me, both have made a claim. Since Blake's orignal post said any track and Dyna later ammended to "the track" my vote is noone gets home track advantage. So once again, Heartland Park Topeka. It's probably the track that closest splits the distance. I'm thinking we should only see one more post from each Dyna and Blake on the subject - accepting or declining the race. Here's the rules: - Dyna riding his R1 with street tires, not DOT race tires. - Blake riding his M2 with race tires. - Loser has to post the results here on Badweb stating without excuses the he lost. - If the race is declined, the declining party(ies) is(are) not allowed to continue posting on the matter. Agreed? UWGriz (Acting as referee because somebody has to before this spreads to every thread.) | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
I accept. I have from the beginning. Dave & Jason get to come & play too  | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Nice track, 2.1 miles  | ||
| Lake_bueller |
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| Tucsonxb9s |
Glitch...where's your popcorn smiley when I need it! | ||
| M2me |
Here you go! This should be fun!  | ||
| Cj_xb |
I love that popcorn smiley !!! CJ  | ||
| Rek |
 do-do-dah-loo, wah wah wah. Just like the spaghetti flicks w/ Clint and the boys. (Can you say high noon?). | ||
| Glitch |
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| Bomber |
Mennis -- you got fax! | ||
| Glitch |
What about more equal bikes? Dyna's X1 street tires. Blake's Cyclone race tires. Since this is about tires anyway, or is it really about R1 vs Buell, or possibly Blake vs Dyna. Either way I hope someone that gets to see it first hand has a camera! | ||
| Rek |
Would the event count as a BadWeb Ralley? | ||
| Grndskpr |
Would the event count as a BadWeb Ralley? I would skip the rest of this years plans to see this, i may even consider some of next years plans tell me when and where R But alas, as in the Cecil event, it will never happen, shame really Same event different people | ||
| Outrider |
Rog...Are you saying History repeats itself? Oh, Bummer. | ||
| Tucsonxb9s |
It wasn't about more equal bikes if I remember correctly. It was about Blake's M2 with race tires Vs. Dyna's R-1 with street spec tires. Either way I don't think it'll happen. Kinda like that playground fight after school in the 3rd grade....  | ||
| Uwgriz |
Exactly, with the claim of any track from both involved. So I split the distance each would have to travel and landed in Topeka. I'm sure others will infer otherwise, but I've never been there and honestly couldn't tell you which bike the track would favor, but according to each it doesn't matter, so it's irrelevant. So far we have one in. | ||
| Uwgriz |
Hey Glitch, feel up to designing some T-shirt artwork for the event? | ||
| Mikej |
That fight did happen, I was there, I saw it, across the street from the school in the park over by the swings and slides. They ended up in the sandbox and called it quits when they both got sand in their eyes and shorts. This is funny though, Blake asked for Greg's opinion, then the challenge began. Pretty soon we'll have enough people challenging each other we could start a whole new grassroots race series, probably internationally too, call it GrudgeNettm and schedule it at various tracks. Sort of a toughman competition only with bikes instead of bare knuckles. But oh well, never happen, ... until it does.  | ||
| Cowboy |
I am betting on Blake I have seen him ride at oak hill where he was only 2 second behiend a gsxr 1000 that was race prepard. there is a picture of the oak hill track some where in the archives look it over, | ||
| Uwgriz |
Got to get him in first... | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Cowboy...even if the Gixxer was race prepped..doesnt mean the rider was. Plus OHR is a shrimp of a track where that Gixxer never even leaves 2nd gear. Its obviously favorable towards the lower geared, higher torqued bikes. Nobody ever claimed otherwise. Take Blake away from there & lets see how he does in the real world. Topeka...lets get ready to rumble. | ||
| Keith |
Cowboy...even if the Gixxer was race prepped..doesnt mean the rider was. Plus OHR is a shrimp of a track where that Gixxer never even leaves 2nd gear. True regarding the rider. Rider and tires can make a huge difference. Not true regarding the Gixxer and second gear. They routinely get into fourth. Keith CMRA 211 (Team Fossil Racing) | ||
| Blake |
172 mph! thread Blake: How about this... Me and my race rubber shod Cyclone on any track versus you on your R1 with street tires? That might be a good race even at Road America. Who do you think would win, assuming we are relatively equal in ability? Exactly, just a theoretical question. Absolutely no challenge or claims of superiority were ever made. Dyna: R1. With equal riders the rubber wouldnt make that big of a difference at a big hp track like RA. Here Greg is exposing his ignorance of what racing tires bring to track performance. Blake: Heheheheh. Not only wrong but so wrong you wouldn't believe it. Meaning that race rubber does indeed make a big difference, no matter the track, contrary to Greg's prior statement. I never implied it would overcome the HP advantage of an R1. I wondered whether it would or not. I stated later in the same thread that HP may very well win out at a track like RA. Honesty, it's a good thing. Track day recap thread Dyna: Blake, you aint got a hope in hell of keeping up with the R1 on the track...race rubber or not. And to that statement above I say bullshit! I also say that the onus is on the big mouth to back up his assertion. I'll gladly meet Greg during any CMRA race weekend at OHR, Motor Sports Ranch (Cresson, TX, near Ft. Worth) or Hallet (near OK City). I have no interest in trucking my Buell in track form any further than that. Neither does my ego write checks that I am unwilling to cash. If I make a challenge or a statement claiming to be able to better someone and/or their bike, I will do what is necessary to back it up, or I will rescind the statement and apologize. "Since Blake's original post said "any track"... The problem with your logic is that my post was never a challenge or assertion of being faster or better than another. My post was a point of discussion about the relative merits of tire grip versus HP. I very much enjoy discussing such technical issues. Certainly you recognize the night and day difference between a statement like... "That might be a good race even at Road America. Who do you think would win...? and one like... "Blake, you aint got a hope in hell of keeping up with the R1 on the track...race rubber or not." Roger, You are right. It probably won't happen. Because just like when Cecil claimed that he and his "ZX12R" would "lay waste" to me and my Cyclone "on any track", we now have another big mouth braggart track day hero who is unwilling to back up his assertion/challenge. I truly wish I was located near Blackhawk Raceway. I would gladly meet Greg on race-day there or compare lap times during a track day. Actually racing head to head during a track day is not an option. Way too many slow bikes to get in the way. Just ask Dave about that problem. I don't even relish the idea of traveling all the way to Oklahoma City, but Hallet is a really cool track with a lot of change in elevation, and I want to compete there at least once to have the experience. The only other track I might consider would be Laguna Seca. Being able to lap that track would be epic and well worth the hardship and time investments required. So there it is. Greg made the statement that "Blake, you aint got a hope in hell of keeping up with the R1 on the track...race rubber or not." If he want's to back up that statement with action, he needs to come race me. I made no such challenge or assertion. Happily, my ego big as it is, depends little on how fast my bike can go or on how quickly I can pilot it around a racetrack relative to others. I'm not the type of person who is likely to make a statement like "you aint got a hope in hell of keeping up with (my bike) on the track...race rubber or not." But if for some reason I did ever make such a statement, I hope that I would have the balls to back it up. So here is MY very simple and straight forward challenge to you Greg: Since you think I don't have a "hope in hell" of lapping a track faster than you on your R1 even on street tires, I hereby challenge you to back up that assertion. I hereby challenge you to race me at any of the CMRA events at any of the three tracks that I mentioned above, two of which I've never seen let alone ridden. If you either finish ahead of me or run a quicker lap than my best lap, I'll pay for your race entry fee. | ||
| Mikej |
Hallet OK is 788 miles from Racine WI.  I've got an indirect relative in that general area. What does next years's race schedule look like potentially? | ||
| Mikej |
This could be a good location if the event organizers will sanction it or at least turn a blind eye to the timing activities. http://www.hallettracing.com/  | ||
| Uwgriz |
Happily, my ego big as it is, depends little on how fast my bike can go or on how quickly I can pilot it around a racetrack relative to others. Perhaps, but it clearly seems to depend on adding bunch of qualifiers to statements made rather than simply say you misspoke. | ||
| Mikej |
Looks like the CMRA was/will be at Hallet in 2004 in May, July, and October. I'd assume the 2005 schedule will be something similar. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
I've already accepted several locations spin meister Blake. You offered up the challenge first..not me so dont try & twist & turn things. You said any track & I offer RA or Topeka. Spin it some more. This isnt the political thread yet you still insist on calling people liars. Better look in the mirror. | ||
| Blake |
Greg, "Plus OHR is a shrimp of a track where that Gixxer never even leaves 2nd gear." How long is Blackhawk Farms Raceway? How long is Oak Hill Raceway? Do you even know? Both play host to kart racing and motorcycle racing. I have an idea that Colin Edwards, Nicky Hayden, Ben Spies, John Haner, and many other top motorcycle racers who have spent a lot of time lapping OHR might disagree with your ignorant mischaracterization of the track. Higher HP faster bikes can lap OHR significantly more quickly than their smaller/not-as-fast brothers and sisters, just like they can do on any other road course racetrack. More HP is always a big advantage, and your R1 has just as much torque as a Buell. You adn your R1, besides the 60HP advantage, would have a huge advantage not having to shift gears so often or at all if that is what you choose. With stock gearing you could probably leave it in 2nd gear. Me? Once moving, I use three gears at OHR, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. But alas, you are too afraid even with your 60HP advantaged repli-racer to face my eight year old Buell Cyclone and put your big mouthed assertions to the test. If you should lose such a challenge, your ego might shrivel up and die like a little worm being baked by the sun. Better to protect your ego and stay at home making big talk but not backing it up. Stay out of the sun little worm. | ||
| Cj_xb |
Stay out of the sun little worm. For such an intelligent, talented person, you make comments like that which only accomplishes you belittling yourself !!! You should be better than and above those kind of remarks ?? I'm going back to work now !! CJ |
