| Author | Message | ||
     Daves |
Still a computer novice I guess. Dyna beat to that picture anyway. Dave | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Thats a good one of you Dave. Probably about the best one taken. | ||
| Doughnut |
Thanks. Hope I can do that sh:t some day. I'm still trying for a small wheelie. | ||
| Daves |
Oct 4th Doughnut. Give it a try, you'll love it. Dave | ||
| Gearhead |
Dave what were your impressions of Hoban's race bike??? I'd agree with earlier posts about hanging off. It's an acquired skill. After seeing the photos from my recent track day at Road America I saw that I didn't hang off anywhere near what I thought I was. At the level I'm at it probably isn't that important except it scares everyone around me because they think I'm about to low side!! This was brought to my attention loud and clear at this weekend's Battletrax event in Waterloo. I had no problems not hanging off but after having someone coach me (Brett) all day I can now see that it is an issue as far as tire management is concerned. At R.A. I was completely on the edge, probably too far over and by leaning off at Battletrax I was using the complete sidewall and had a better contact path. It's not easy and I agree that most of us have enough to think about without thinking about sliding off the seat but I now see the benefit. Will I be able to remember all this at my next track day?? I hope so!! The other thing that really helped me was concentrating on getting my chest as close to the tank as possible which helped me put it all together. Dave's photos confirm this!! Thanks again, Coach Stueve!! | ||
| Doughnut |
Please, Untill I can ride and drink my morning coffee at the same time, I don't think I'm ready for the track.  | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
Didn't anyone take any pictures? That's it, from now on we need a camera person as part of our pit crew! Dave You didn't ask... | ||
| Blake |
Greg, If you lean your body further the opposite way you can get the bike to lean even further over. Apparently that's your goal, to lean at an extreme angle. The idea of hanging off is to be able to negotiate a turn more quickly WITHOUT leaning the bike over too far, so you avoid scraping hard parts and crashing. The more you hang off, the less lean you need at any given speed. So if lean angle is limited by the scraping of certain parts of the bike, and you are at that point, the only way to further increase corner speed is to hang off the bike. As to my tire grip versus HP "challenge", your mischaracterization of that is extremely dishonest. In fact I made no challenge. I merely wondered about comparative lap times between me with my bike on racing tires versus versus you with your R1 on street tires. If you don't want to back up your big mouth that's your call. Maybe you and Cecil can get together and have a big mouthed bench racers convention. You both seem to like the same strategy of trying to insult my home track and making all kinds of excuses and prevarication. Coward. What was your best lap time big mouth. | ||
| Blake |
Yeah Dave! Tell us about the Hoban race bike. And give us a comparative of all three bikes you rode. ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
The idea of hanging off is to be able to negotiate a turn more quickly WITHOUT leaning the bike over too far, so you avoid scraping hard parts and crashing. The more you hang off, the less lean you need at any given speed. So if lean angle is limited by the scraping of certain parts of the bike, and you are at that point, the only way to further increase corner speed is to hang off the bike. Gee, thanks for the physics lesson. Am well aware of all that, christ you think im a damn newbie at this crap or something?? So far im not scraping hard parts...well I did hit the right side peg a few times..so i have no need as of yet to hang off in order to stand the bike up a bit more. I have been able to pass supposedly "faster & better" riders without resorting to it so far. And excuses??? I have said numerous times, bring your bike here. Lets do Blackhawk, Road America, a track in Colorado, MAM, Kansas, etc. You are the one insisting on OHR, thst seems cowardly to me. And best lap time? Dont know, wasnt keeping track & didnt care. Was working on braking points, corner entrances & exits, etc. Those fall into place & the lap times will come down. besides since you have never set a tire on the track you have absolutely nothing to compare it with. using other riders times would be pointless. | ||
| Daves |
Ok! Bike #1 05 XB12R HSA pipe,race ecm,race air filter,H2 tires. This was the first time I've had a 12R on the track. It took a few laps to get up to speed with it for a couple reasons. Monday was my first time on a track in almost a year, the job change back in April really messed up my track plans for this year. The bike felt pretty good but I was rusty. It took me 4 laps to start getting my knee down. The picture above was taken while I was still feeling the bike out a little. This was also the first time in about 2 years to ride at Blackhawk Farms. They repaved the track since my last time there so I had to re-learn the track. The second session I had adjusted the suspension a little and the bike was working good except for one ripple in the track in turn 2, still giving me a little wobble but not a real big deal. I missed the extra RPMs of the XB9R I rode last year but adjusted my riding to fit the bike. I did 3 sessions on the XB12R and every one felt better. My biggest problem all day was all the "squirters" on the track. You know, riders that have lots of HP but can't corner. They "squirt" from corner to corner and then about park it in front of you. Really messes with my riding style of just carrying the corner speed to get a good drive between corners. I was trying to be nice and not "stuff" anyone as I didn't want to cause anyone to crash or crash myself. I'm not sure if I have worked at Appleton long enough to start pitching their bikes into the weeds! So, the Buell XB12R worked great, traffic that didn't know how to corner was my biggest problem. Bike # 2 Hoban's race bike. WOW! 115 hp 101 ft lbs of tq Penske rear shock Re-worked front end Race slicks clip on bars Force pipe! This bike is a torque beast! I took it easy the first lap or two, getting used to the bike. As I ran harder the better suspension really showed. On this bike I was able to pass the "squirters" coming out of the corners and got a few of them down the straight. Braking was excellant, they run a dual setup. The clutch pull was real heavy, they run a Barnett clutch to handle the extra power. This bike is really set up and runs great. And it's LOUD, I love that sound. I was taking it easy(didn't want to take the bike back to John in a ball) and was going much faster. The gearing was spot on for the track and I felt like I always had the perfect gear for every corner. I would love to spend about 100 track miles on this bike. I think I could be pretty fast on it. Bike #3 Sean, from Edge Performance Riding Course/Edge Racing Yamaha R1. Sean has been trying to get me to take his race bikes out for a couple years now. The biggest reason I never took him up on his offer was the GP shifting,one up 5 down. It took a little prodding from the pit crew and I said what the hell. I went out for about 15 minutes of the novice session to get a feel for the bike and it's backwards shifting. The bike was very planted and had plenty of HP. Good suspension although I liked Hoban's better. I took a few laps and got comfortable on the bike. I came in after the novice session and asked Sean if I could take it out in the intermediate one that was just getting the green flag. Of course he said yes and off I went. I wanted to play with Dyna and so I took it easy the first lap like I always do even though my tires were already warmed up. I don't know where Dyna went so I thought I'd get a little "revenge" on some of the "squirters" that had been messing me up all day! Now don't take this wrong, by revenge I mean in a safe and nice way. On this bike, with 160 or 170 HP and 100 or so lbs of tq I could pass about anyone,anyplace. I only got passed once and Matt is a CRA and sometime AMA racer so I can live with that. My most fun on the R1 was one lap I had 8 "squirters" in front of me going into turn 7, the last one before the straight. I knew they would park it going into the corner, a sharp right hander and then got like stink down the straight. I backed off about 5 or 8 bike lengths from them so they didn't mess up my line, dropped to second gear and cut to the inside. As they lined up to go down the straight I was already inside them and took 6 of them at once. The last 2 were staggered, back wheel to front wheel about 5 feet apart, I kept it pinned and by the time I to 4th gear I blew up between them, I looked down at the speedo(something I never do but I had plenty of time before turn one) I went between them at 153 MPH. That was fun! The GP shifting wasn't as big of an issue as I thought and I got used to it right away. Thanks again to John and Sean for trusting me with their bikes. It was lots of fun. Dave | ||
| Bomber |
congrats to all for a rapid, educational, and incident free session -- damn, that guy on the Blue R1 sure does have great looking leathers, don't he? (thanks for bringning home, Greg! I hope the attack deer that hang out iin our yard didn't bother you too much!) | ||
| Buckinfubba |
sounds like it was a good time to me....and thats all that matters. | ||
| Outrider |
The Old Fart Says... Neutral Track and Identical Bikes first, then with their personal rides. That should resolve everything in a friendly manner. | ||
| Blake |
Who said they were planning on having their laps timed? What good is knowing your lap times? Contrary to your belief, it is very difficult to know if new approaches to lapping a track are better/faster or not and how much so. Knowing your lap time versus the track record gives a tangible indication of how well you are doing. If you are within 10 or 15 seconds of the lap record you are doing well. Admit it, you are a "squirter". You can try to paint my question about tier grip versus HP as a challenge all you want. It never was. But your statement clearly was. "Blake, you aint got a hope in hell of keeping up with the R1 on the track...race rubber or not." Put up or shut up, bigmouth. No more excuses or prevarication. Yes, that's exactly what any refusal to come to Texas to back up your mouth is. | ||
| Blake |
Dave, Great description of the different bikes. Thanks! Too bad Greg was too much of a wuss to join you on track when you were on the Hoban Buell. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
I was on the track at the same time. Just different sections of it. And your refusal to come to Wisconsin or Illinois is the same thing. You claim your superior tires will win...prove it. Come on up, you know where im at & im waiting. | ||
| Blake |
Nope, never claimed that. Try again. Big mouth coward. | ||
| Outrider |
Ladies and Gentlemen... What we have here is a Germanic version of a Mexican Stand Off. No winners, no losers. Just two potential competitor's going through a Honky's version of the "Dozens." I say let's unify and create an event somewhere in between their respective locations next year and make it mandatory that they both attend and compete for at least a lap or two. Should make for a fun time and a real focal point to draw riders from all over the country. Heck, if this gets big enough, it might even make the Sports Book counters in Las Vegas. LOL | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Im more than willing & have suggested just that. Blake keeps insisting on OHR...only track he's ever been on I think. | ||
| Uwgriz |
Actually Blake, you did claim it. Blake: How about this... Me and my race rubber shod Cyclone on any track versus you on your R1 with street tires? That might be a good race even at Road America. Who do you think would win, assuming we are relatively equal in ability? Dyna: R1. With equal riders the rubber wouldnt make that big of a difference at a big hp track like RA. Blake Heheheheh. Not only wrong but so wrong you wouldn't believe it. | ||
| Glitch |
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| R1DynaSquid |
Nope, never claimed that. Try again What was that? I cant hear you. | ||
| Blake |
"the rubber wouldnt make that big of a difference at a big hp track like RA." Nothing about "winning" in that statement. "Not only wrong but so wrong you wouldn't believe it." Nothing about "winning" in my rebuttal to it either. "You claim your superior tires will win...prove it." That is a lie. Simply admit it. You are wrong and mischaracterized my statements on the subject. Jason, You no read good. If you are going to chearlead for Greg, you might want to get your facts straight. I never claimed race tires would beat R1 HP at RA. In fact if you care to do some honest research on that debate, you'll find that I stated on more than one occasion that I did not know what the result of such a comparison would be. It was merely an interesting comparison to consider. Clearly, my statements that you have quoted above indicate my belief that race tires would indeed make a big difference as opposed to Greg's belief that "the rubber wouldnt make that big of a difference at a big hp track like RA." Greg, Grow some integrity and simply admit your mistake in mischaracterizing my statements. Then either put up or shut up. Who was it that stated they were going to have their laps timed? | ||
| Outrider |
I dunno...I still think a "Meet in the Middle" run would be good. Even if you two just sit and bench race, it would be worth it to see the drama unfold. LOL | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
You aint backing out now are you Blake? Come on, it will be just for fun. Never been to Topeka, late spring would work great. Bring those superior race tires of yours. I will even help you load your bike back up after you lose  BTW..I like my steaks medium well. | ||
| Cj_xb |
Jason, You no read good. If you are going to chearlead for Greg, you might want to get your facts straight. Jason can read he's a very intelligent guy, and he isn't a cheerleader for anyone, he honestly just stated what he believed to be true and how he saw it !! You just simply see it your way, sometimes it might not be reading skills but the communication wasn't as clear as it could be !! Geeezzzzz !!! CJ  P.S. By the way, you mis-spelled chearlead !! LOL | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
BTW #2. There is no mistake & no mischaracterization. You said youe tires on your bike would negate any hp difference between the R1 & the M2. Now you try & claim that I dont realize the difference between race tires & DOT's. I do know & realize that with the proper rider race tires will have an affect on lap times with any bike. But the tires still are not enough to equalize the 2 bikes. maybe if you drop 20-30 lbs off your bike & pump the hp up another 30-40 or so, then they could be the deciding factor. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
P.S. By the way, you mis-spelled chearlead !! LOL You been spending too much time around me | ||
| Blake |
Greg says...
But when asked about his lap times, Greg says...
I take back what I said about you being honest. I was obviously wrong. It's also now obvious why you like John Kerry so much. You are an admirerer of flip-flopping. You run your mouth that that "Blake, you aint got a hope in hell of keeping up with the R1 on the track...race rubber or not." I say I and my Cyclone not only have more than a "hope in hell", I say bring your R1 to Texas and back up your big mouth or rescind your ignorant statement. Big mouth coward. |
