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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No real testing just yet. Got the rear mounted today so I am taking it easy for the first 75-100 miles or so, then it will be test time. But my inital impressions after a whole 30 miles are the bike definitely feels like it wants to roll into the corners easier. it handled great before, but now it just about flops over. Placebo effect or not?? hard to tell at this point, let me get some more miles on. Track day monday will be the big test.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It will be interesting to hear a different perspective on how the Diablo's affect another bike. I mean from my standpoint it will be worth it to possible look into other sizes for other bikes instead of just the thought that its the perfect tire in every size. If that makes any sense.
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Buellny
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok, I know I've mentioned this before. Don't let new tires fool you. I've had many new tires on bikes in the past (as most of you did) and the new ones ALWAYS feel like they roll into the corner better compared to your old ones....your olds ones were squared off through many miles of riding.

I too have a set of new Diablos sitting in my garage waiting until the Dunlops are finished. It's good to hear that people are liking them....you guys are the reason why I bought them in the 1st place.
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Fullpower
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Diablos came stock on wifes Ducati monster, and they are REAL NICE tires. very grippy, very predictable, work well in rain, just all around fine pair o skins.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 09:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nothing new to report yet. Had the front mounted today & am just taking easy to get rid of the release agent.

One thing I have noticed that definitely is not a placebo effect is the ride quality is better. With the 218's the bike was actually rather rough over expansion joints..could feel every single one of them. With no changes other than tires, the ride is much much better. Weird.
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Johncr250
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How is the R1 running Dyna? I got a chance to ride a friends 04 R1 last week.

I can`t believe how light the bike feels. No vibration at all and revs faster than anything i`ve ever seen. And to say its a rocketship is an understatement.
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Johncr250
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why don`t you do an R1 review for all of us.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Because no matter how great I tell some people it is, they will just be close minded & refuse to accept the truth.

I will stick with tires, handling, etc.
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Funny how I thought the Diablos wouldn't make as big a difference on your bike as ours. I think it may be the profile and the weight of the tire. At least for us as the Dunlops have been special made for Buell to be lighter.
Remember when I told you about the guy that changed his sprockets on his R1?
He showed up at bike night last night, this is his new front fairing...
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I really dont know if there is a big difference yet, other than ride quality. This weekend between riding to Daves & then the track day should tell me a lot.
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José_quiñones
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I put some Diablos on my SV, I really like them, the grip is very good and the bike is easier to turn in than the tires it had on previously (Z4 Sport Touring Metzelerz)
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Reckon Pirelli's on to something.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Definitely feels like these tires turn into the corners easier...however the 218's felt a little more stable in the corners. I could just pick a line & hold it with ease, where as these tires any tiny amount of movement on my part & the bike will move very easily. Havent decided yet if thats a good thing or not.

In other words..so far they feel like tires, not magic carpets for a bike.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 01:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dyna,
Try upping the pressure a couple psi. Might stabilize things for you.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 01:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Also see if you can find accurate geometry info for the old and new tires. Compare actual diameter. New tires may have significantly altered your front and/or rear ride height which can make a huge difference in how the bike handles.
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 02:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm planning that light/fairing combo in Black for my black bike as well - lol - looks good on Ducs as well - lol
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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M1combat
Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 02:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think they are only a magic carpet compared to the OEM D207's on a Buell. I'll say it... Those tires sucked. Mucho bad manners if you do ANYTHING in a turn accept for accelerate.

Try to slow down? The bike tries to stand up.
Try to change your line? Takes a LOT of pressure change on the bar depending on which way you want to go (add pressure or remove pressure).
Try to just maintain speed? The bike is VERY twitchy.
Add Metzeler sportecs or Pirelli Diablos? Perfect.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 08:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake, the profile of the tires is definitely different & most certainly has raised the bike slightly. Right after I mounted them, I sat on the bike & I could tell that it was a touch higher.

I think its more a matter of just getting used to the handling characteristics of these Diablos. Much like going from an M2 to an XB you need to ride differently. Both handle good, but they are different in how they go about it.

Will be playing with tire pressures & suspension settings at the track monday. The wife is bringing a lap timer so I can track progress. The yammy has one built in but you need to take 1 hand off the bar to start & stop it...stupid. Should have had a button next to the high/low beam switch for that.
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X1glider
Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

Also see if you can find accurate geometry info for the old and new tires. Compare actual diameter. New tires may have significantly altered your front and/or rear ride height which can make a huge difference in how the bike handles.




Very true of the Dunlop 208ZR vs 208GP tires. The GP front has a smaller diameter and the rear is larger, effectively sharpening the steering geometry.

I think the same holds true of the Pirellis, especially between Diablo and Corsas. I couldn't find any numbers on the pirelli site.
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Kelly
Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I rode my M2 around Barber about as hard as I was comfortable to and didnt have a problem with my tires....

Sure, I'll answer the obvious question...

They were an Avon Azaro front and Dunlop D220 rear! They slipped a few times, but never let go. If my suspension was set up right (too much oil in the forks) I would have pushed harder.

Anyway, tires are great. They hold us on the road. But all of this hype about the bestest, stickiest tires is silly to me. Most people cant run a ST tire to it's limit, yet they RAVE about their stickies...

...back to your regularly scheduled banter now...
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Paulinoz
Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Will be playing with tire pressures & suspension settings at the track monday. The wife is bringing a lap timer so I can track progress."

Remeber if you make a change and it improves your lap times to reverse it to prove that the change has made the difference and not just you are becoming more familliar with the track.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 12:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I set the pressures at 32 rear, 31 front & these things kick @ss at the track. Only slippage at all was during the warmup lap & while leaned over coming out of turn 5 & hard on the gas. Once warmed up they stuck & I could detect nothing but great grip. Handling was superb, held their line great. I had all the confidence to lay the bike all the way over & not 1 nervous or twitchy feeling from the bike at all. Look, point & shoot.

For anything other than all out 100% race bikes, these tires are more than adequate. I really cant rave enough about how great they performed today.
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Cowtown
Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When yall are referring to Diablos, do you mean the Sports or the Corsas. And how do the 2 compare, other than price. Thanks
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Phatkidwit1eye
Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

lol..Don't flame but I forgot which diablos I have.One of the tires I think has more "stick" to it then the other. The one that is more expensive is the one better suited for track riding. So for street riding they will wear out quicker then the other one. I very well could be wrong but I think thats why one is a bit more expensive.

I do have to say though I felt a lot more confident with my Diablos then I did with my Avons. I also noticed it felt a bit more planted at higher speeds.
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Outrider
Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Whew...Glad that got clarified. Good thing I won't need new tires until next season. That will give everyone the entire winter to straighten out the glossary of terms.
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 03:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've got 'em on my bike. Best grip AND best wear resistance of any tire I've yet to use (vs. various grades of Dunlop sport tires).
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Cowtown
Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Once again, Diablo Sports or Diablo Corsas?
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Tucsonxb9s
Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 03:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've got sports and love them. The corsas are supposed to be a lot softer but not so good in the wet.
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Uwgriz
Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dyna's got the Sports.
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Outrider
Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ahhh...it is becoming clearer now, Grasshopper.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've got sports and love them. The corsas are supposed to be a lot softer but not so good in the wet

Zactly, I need a tire that can handle the wet & also want some decent mileage....I dont think the Corsa would suit my purposes very well.
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 08:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've got the sports...got no need for Corsa's at this time.
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Darthane
Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The sports are the ones that are supposedly the same as Metzeler M1 Sportecs except the tread pattern, yes?

...or am I completely misremembering that article?
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Incorrect, this is an email I recieved from Metzler

Yes there is a difference the M-1 have a different tread pattern, compound and a
slight difference in profiles. Maybe you should try a set
Thank you for your interest in our company and products.
Best Regards.

Customer Service
Metzeler MOTO
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Darthane
Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hmph...the article I'm referring to was from Cycle World, I think. They tested Diablos, M1s, Bridgestones, Michelin Pilot Sports, and the D208s and rated the M1s and Diablos as tied. I sure thought they'd mentioned that it was the same tire with a different tread (and maybe they did, but were just referring to their ratings).

Anyways...I have M1s in my garage, and a tire changer and wheel balancer that need to be set up so I can pop them on! Diablos next time.
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