| Author | Message | ||
     Tucsonxb9s |
http://www.harley-davidson.com/PR/MOT/CVOP/en/05_VRSCSE.asp Looks like they were able to give the V-Rod a bit more ooomph! Real pricey though. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
So with all that more power what do you do in a turn? Wear a parachute, pull the cord and hope for the best? OR Throw our a boat anchor and hang on? | ||
| Buckinfubba |
well actually don tilley and wiseco did that much better last year, with hd's blessing. I can't understand why they didn't punch it up to that. most of that money extra is the shiny stuff | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Bubba, HD has a couple V-rod mules that are pushing 160hp. Maybe even more by now, that was 2 years ago. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
you got to consider it was only done with screamn eagle parts | ||
| Buckinfubba |
dyna...yeah I know , tilleys drag v rod was at 176 at thew wheel and the 2 packages made would do 130 for 1 package and 140 for the other, and it was very streetable. I guess I just don't get it | ||
| Racerx1 |
hey Dyna, we are over 200hp on Jamie Mcnaughton's naturally aspirated bike now! | ||
| Bluelightning |
insane.... But I love it!! | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
You guys are rockin Wes!! Like I said the 160 was 2 years ago. That Revo motor has huge potential & anyone who cant see the future of Buell in that motor has blinders on. | ||
| Buelluk |
Are they serious about that price ! | ||
| Ray_maines |
Oh Dyna, you're such a wacko! Buell just has to stay with the air cooled EVO motor. Nothing else would do. Court and all the really cool, hip, die hard, true blue, Buell lovin', all american guys say so. edited by Ray_maines on July 29, 2004 | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Embrace the changes, dont fear the Revo. I am willing to bet that even the nay sayers amongst us would be caught up in the Revo fever when the bike is introduced. Hell, Blake might even be persuaded to dump that ancient dinosaur of his for a new ride  | ||
| Brucelee |
"That Revo motor has huge potential & anyone who cant see the future of Buell in that motor has blinders on." Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Bomber |
it's a great motor, no doubt, with even great potential -- I'd like to see the packaging of it in a less barge-like chassis, though (and, yes, I have ridden a Vrod), Buell or not | ||
| Anonymous |
OK momentary life drag race 200HP (guaranteed crank, not rear wheel)1300cc V-Rod motor at 205 lbs, or Ducati 999cc at 195HP rear wheel finishing 100 mile World Superbike races at 135 lbs. And the future for sportbike maker Buell with the V-Rod is what, Dyna? Make a slow and heavy sportbike compared to the competition so Buell can be crucified once again by guys who buy imports? I think not. Blinders no, real brains, yes. Buell builds the world's best air-cooled sportbikes. If Buell builds a water-cooled sportbike for those who must have one, it will also be the best. No excuses. | ||
| Davegess |
If Buell builds a water-cooled sportbike for those who must have one, it will also be the best. No excuses. Well said. I suspect that is a Buell is built with a VROD motor it will be over EB'S dead body. I don't doubt that a water cooled Buell will some day happen I just don't think it will be a VROD. What I would like to see is a total complete clean sheet of paper air cooled V twin. Short stroke, pushrod with a single cam high up in the V so you have very short pushrods. Sort of small block chevy V twin. New transmission. Everything possible done to make it small and light. I bet you could build one of these as a 1000 cc motor with a total engine transmission weight of about 80 pounds. Make the XB smaller and lighten everything to reflect the lighter motor and I suspect you could have 325 pound bike that was 3 inches short than the XB. I would rev 20% higher and make a bunch more power. That would be cool. | ||
| Bluelightning |
Anon, good point, but I still think that by taking the V-rod motor and shoe horning it into an XB styled frame would make for 1 hot setup! Heck the airbox is already in the same location. If E.B. can take a tired old cruiser motor and make a great running/handling sportbike, image what that water cooled higher revving motor would be able to produce in the hands of the engineers at Buell. | ||
| Socoken |
the revo motor is heavy, bigger, and i think it would look fugly on a sportbike. it looks good in its current setup, but harley can keep it as far as im concerned. with all the $$$$$ BMC would spend on developing the revo and new frame setup, they could instead work on getting closer making v-rod power with the XL, (or a whole new air cooled twin, unlikely) which IMO is a much higher road. | ||
| Court |
Dave Gess: That is an accurate post. Court | ||
| Davegess |
Of course the only way that motor happens is if HD decides to redo the sportster to use it. Teh cost of a complete new engine assembly line seem sto be well out of Buell's reach at this point. | ||
| Bomber |
and likely HD's, considering the dough they put into the Revo, Sporty and Buell lines in the last few years . . . . big investments take a while to pay off | ||
| Davegess |
Bomber you are correct. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
. big investments take a while to pay off They also take longer to pay off if you are selling 7500 bikes a year vs selling 15,000 a year or more. Come out with a revo version that doesnt need to make any excuses or a marketing campaign that makes up its own "sportfighter" category & I guarantee you sales will shoot up. | ||
| Sshbsn |
I hate to stick my nose in this, but didn't Buell lighten the engine in my XB12 compared to the engine in a Sportster 1200. I sure thought they did. If so, seems to me like that v rod engine could also go on a diet. Or more like a nip and tuck... | ||
| Vr1203 |
Quote... If so, seems to me like that v rod engine could also go on a diet. Or more like a nip and tuck.... How 'bout removing its water jacket,pump ,ETC, keeping all the internals ,using a two stage oil pump, with one designated as cooling . Removing all the chrome would save a bunch too  | ||
| Blake |
Let it go people. The VRod mill even in vastly trimmed down AMA Superbike racing form was not anywhere near class leading in either power or weight. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
The VRod mill even in vastly trimmed down AMA Superbike racing form was not anywhere near class leading in either power or weight. That was also years ago. Since then they have continued to refine the powerplant & as Wes pointed out the factory is now getting 200 hp out of the motor. | ||
| Elvis |
It seems the next engine for Buell will either be a very light, very powerful engine comparable to KTM/Ducati/Rotax or a less powerful, heavier (but more financially logical) Revo. I'd be happy with the latter but ecstatic with the former, and I would assume, like most people, that we're more likely to see the Revo than the more exciting alternative. When I see anonymous quotes saying Buell is more interested in the lighter weight variation, I'm not about to argue. I just hope Anonymous has some real inside info. | ||
| Elvis |
Oh, and Dyna, I know you've said that you've seen Revo powered mules running around your area. Are you sure it wasn't more like a Rotax/Ducati/KTM? I'd assume any of those would look similar from a distance. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Elvis, It was Revo with all the bs bolt on covers removed. And of course Anon are going to claim it will never happen. When have we ever gotten any hint of any bike coming out of HD or Buell? Hell even when I proclaimed that the XB12 was going to be released & was a 100% sure thing..Anons still came in & denied it. Its part of the game. | ||
| Brucelee |
I do have to believe that the current VROD motor can be made much lighter. Moreover, the torque on the bike as it stands is pretty impressive. I say bring it on. I for one don't need a Jap racing bike but will love an XB type with another 20 lbs of torque etc. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
bruce no ofence but what the heck does that have to do with the v-rod????? | ||
| Brucelee |
Sorry, wrong thread. | ||
| Firemanjim |
But the Vrod motor is only remotely(very distant cousins) to the HD superbike motor.It sure would be nice to see the Vrod motor in a couple of different platforms instead of that fugly cruiser it is now. |
