| Author | Message | ||
     Socoken |
this topic is about speed, but i should go somewhere else because im posting about...........tea cups???? its a gripe post because i dont agree with someone else? what would you do if there wasnt anyone disagreeing? speed is good yaaaa end of thread. borrrring. | ||
| Jasonblue |
Wycked you nailed it on the head, thats exactly the way I feel and probably the way the majority of the people on this site feel. Ken, it seems to me YOU are the one preaching to the choir. Quotes from your post above: -"what I dont get, is why speed freaks need to convert everyone..." -...But if you think you are better than me because you have a faster bike, it is I who feel sorry for you." -"Buells are not superbikes..." -"Why do people constantlytry and prove that a bike designed to go alot faster, does?" -"....but if you think I'm going to sell my Buell to buy a repli-racer so I can go 170mph, your preaching to the wrong choir." That is why I responded to your posts. Yeah, you sound really relaxed. What on this thread has gotten you so worked up? With the exception of Dyna we ALL own and love our Buells. What we can't even TALK about a bike that can go 180? You might want to change your name to Reverend Buell. | ||
| Blake |
Rocket, You sure do like to put words into my mouth. And you sure are spun up about top speed racing performance. For me, that seems strange for someone who doesn't race. So an R1 is superior in all possible ways to any Buell; is that what you are saying now? No way a Buell can outhandle an R1 on a twisty road? The guys at MO are liars? Whatever you say Sean. How would I get by an R1? Same way I pass any bike that is going slower than me... the same way I passed two 999's and a GSXR1000 at OHR, with a big grin on my face. How else? Clyde, Your view of reality is... not real. Have I really sought to poo on anyone because of the model bike they own? That is what you are contending is it not? I think you are mistaken. I do suggest that those seeking to belittle Buell or any other motorcycles do so elsewhere. This is a Buell enthusiasts' forum pure and simple. I love all sport bikes. I'd not seek to belittle any of them. Not sure why some are compelled to impugn the one I prefer to ride. I guess insulting others is a way for some to feel better about themselves? | ||
| Socoken |
Jason, you are reading entirely too much into my posts. They can't go 172 on a stock Buell. So they •••• all over those of us who do own bikes that are capable of those speeds. It's the BadWeb way. that made me want to post, and Seans post. it seems to me, that the so called speed freaks, have somewhat of an elitist view of their ways, and i merely presented my view. i am very relaxed, but i sure got you fired up. sorry if im keeping you up past your bedtime. relax chief | ||
| Jasonblue |
One more, "So it would seem to me, this isn't the best place to profess the greatness of top speed, unless of course you are fishing,..." You know what you're right, this is a Buell site. So there is not to be any mention of any bike faster than a Buell, period. I'm kind of curious what you'll think if in a couple years Buell blows everyone away and makes a bike that would hang with a repli-racer. Really, what if Buell made a bike that would do 170? Would it all of a sudden be OK? What would you do then? I here they make some scooters that only do about 35. Oh wait I see you've already ridden one of those. | ||
| Socoken |
Jason nicely done on the quotes, maybe seen one too many Michael Moore films? if you are gonna quote me, at least give me credit for getting my spelling and grammar correct. | ||
| Socoken |
that scooter did 45 downhill, and it was a rental  if buell made a 170mph bike, then a Buell cite would be a great place to profess top speeds, but as it is, they dont. think of it as going to a pistol website and talking about the kills you got at 500yds with your rifle. i like to read about it, but i dont need an advertisement for the rifle, i bought my pistol for a reason. | ||
| Jasonblue |
Couldn't be calmer, you actually have me laughing out loud. I guess this thread isn't too boring, or what couldn't YOU sleep? I'm not reading too much into your posts, I just don't think you actually see how others are interpretting your posts. I guess we'll find out tommorow from everyone elses reactions. I'd hate to see how you'd react if I told you I had a bigger schlong.  | ||
| Jasonblue |
I'm going to bed. I can accept our different views, I appreciate a good debate. This is all Dynas fault any way, had to go buy an R1. | ||
| Socoken |
THEN youd hear ME laughing all the way down in Texas.  nope, cant sleep. went for a run in the rain and it woke me up (go figure huh) funny thing is, you are on to something with the "mine is bigger than yours" thing. thats how i interpreted some other posts, but what i was trying to say, is "its not the size of the hammer that counts, its the nail you are throwing it at" | ||
| Court |
>>>No way a Buell can outhandle an R1 on a twisty road? That is an inaccurate statement. I feel terrible. I work with a guy who drives a brand spanking new 911 Carerra 4 and I drive a slow, bulky Ford pickup. How can I face him? I am crushed.  | ||
| Court |
>>>a 25 year old TZ250 would shame your M2 The key, then, is for someone to get on one and actually do it. I think Blakes point is that it is more fun to RIDE his M2 race bike that sit back and play "my daddy can whip yours". I get lots of folks telling me how many miles per hours their snappy bikes can do. I always ask to see their certified timing slips. Talk MANY bikes are capable of rediculous top speeds, I ride one periodically to remind me that I have no interest in spending a nickel on one. If you do, go get um. My personal snag with all this is not how fast they go but the seeming ability of the bikes to vaccum the riders brains right out their asses. I get passed a couple times a week by folks on R1 style super-shooters splitting lanes in NYC traffic. I used to feel bad and drag myself through that "what it does for the image of motorcycling"..."how will it effect my insurance". I don't do that any more. In fact, like you, I speak my mind. The other day the blue R1 I alluded to that clogged the northbound lane of the FDR, while the riders body delayed southbounders commutte, I took time to stop, let the cop know that I had over 250,000 miles on sportbikes a number of those miles logging tests for manufactuers and although I hated to say it the guy got precisely what he asked for riding the way he was. More speed does not provide one with an inane clarvoyance to tell what an Afgan cab driver is about to do. The intoxication of the ability to go fast seems unrivaled in how it displaces common sense. The idea that Blake or I don't like somebody because they own a faster bike is kinda silly. I've learned, given the folks I ride with, not to get into a keeping up with the Joneses deal. NYC is full of well heeled celebs and young Billionaires (that's a B, not an M) and I fear trying to keep up with them, or Steve Forbes would be fruitless. You have me wondering why they likes of Stanely Druckenmiller, who can afford anything, don't buy fast mototcycles. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | ||
| Rocketman |
Nowhere in this thread did anyone suggest that a motorcycle capable of going 172mph was in any way better than a Buell that couldn't. On the other hand, there are plenty of Buell fans that seem to want to deride some of us that enjoy riding faster than a Buell is capable of. This thread is titled 172mph!. WTF? I love speed and have said so on BadWeB for as many years as I've been here. Further, I've protested that Buell, preferably in tube Lightning form, build a bike capable of going 150mph out of the box. I'm not spun up about top speed racing performance at all, as you suggest Blake, I take it in my stride, as do thousands of other Brit's who meet at the coffee bars of Britain on any Sunday. Look at the stat's. The U.K is a major important market for manufacturers of sports bikes. Our domestic race series are often used as benchmark series for world level racing. We have the TT too  They race the bikes we buy and we buy the bikes they race. Blake, I don't understand why you would imply top speed and performance are the exclusivity of the race track. As if that isn't enough, you turn this thread into a bitchfest LOL. So an R1 is superior in all possible ways to any Buell; is that what you are saying now? Now you're just being stupid. You know perfectly well the Buell is a far superior touring bike. No way a Buell can outhandle an R1 on a twisty road? No I didn't mention handling. If the Buell isn't fast enough to hang with an R1 at what point is the Buell going to be able to out handle it in a corner when it can't get to the corner first? No way is a Buell ever going to stay in front of an R1 no matter how twisty the open road. First off the Buell would have to get past the R1 and that isn't going to happen in any corner. In fact, about impossible. The R1 is one of the worlds fastest production motorcycles and unlike Japanese bikes of old, and contrary to some popular opinion, Japanese bikes do handle. The guys at MO are liars? You said it. Whatever you say Sean. Yep, about time you agreed with something I said. It's been years LOL. I just hope those guys at MO aren't your source for the 'war' thread! Rocket | ||
| Clydeglide |
I guess insulting others is a way for some to feel better about themselves? That's odd. That's exactly what I was thinking about you and Court in my last post! As far as this is a Buell board. I do not come on here to bash Buells. It is about sharing the motorcycling experience. But Court writing about bikes in the armco and bodies dead in the road just sorta rubbed me the wrong way.  | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
God save me from your followers...this discussion on religion has gone way overboard and everyone just needs to open their good throttles and worship the road they ride! Because what it all really comes down to is this...you can only go as fast as the road will allow. Whether that is a 20mph hairpin or a 200mph straight you can still only go as fast as the road will let you. | ||
| Aesquire |
I's amazing that in each form of racing, ( not horse, don't be silly ) when speeds hit about 200 mph, rules change to slow the pack down. Is there really a magic speed beyond which we should not go? Is it the tracks can't handle 205 but can 198? Tires, suspension & engines get better & better, yet 750cc 2 strokes are ruled down to 500cc, etc. etc. It can't be the shear size of the engine, its the speed. Nascar, F1, etc. all rule down the speed. Todays open class street bikes are nearly fast enough to trigger racing rule changes. That's amazing! | ||
| Socoken |
i think its partly a track/safety issue, but its a competitive issue as well. by limiting speed or hp, it allows for independents to be competitive, as well as different factory teams. then it becomes more of an operators duel than someone just running away with it due to a faster machine. those are my theories anyway. | ||
| Kaudette |
Buells are "quick" Litre-class are "quick & fast" | ||
| Socoken |
maybe you speed freaks belong to this club http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90189 | ||
| Court |
>>>But Court writing about bikes in the armco and bodies dead in the road just sorta rubbed me the wrong way. I'd be willing to apologize if I rubbed anyone the wrong way. This is a pet peeve with me. I see it as a great bike being used in the wrong way. We all pay, be it physcially or emotionally, in terms of the impact on our sport and our pocketbooks. The example I used was a poor one and borne from recent experience that I've not gotten over. My intent was not to insult or rub anyone the wrong way. For the record, my riding partner has a Superbusa and lives to get the thing out on the open roads at insane speeds. Court | ||
| Court |
By the way, if you are really going 200MPH on street tires, I suggest you take a look at them afterward. I saw what ONE 200MPH run did to a new tire at Bonneville. Court | ||
| 420at145mph |
why dont u LADIES go polish your nails or something constructive LIKE MAKING ME A SANDWICH!! | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Hmm, I go away for a couple days & return to see the same ole folks crabbing about 5hit that doesnt matter. We all enjoy bikes..at least I hope we all do...just some enjoy them for different reasons. Really is sad when folks cant appreciate all bikes for what they are & prefer to stick to one brand or only want to hear about 1 particular make. I loved my X1 when it ran, the R1 is big time fun, I lust after the MV Agusta Senna, sure as hell wouldnt complain if someone gave me a KTM dirtbike, etc. But I guess some just have a hard time admitting that even tho they love their bike, it isnt Gods gift to mankind. I enjoy riding my Harley, but im not one of those freaks who will denounce all foreign bikes as "jap 5hit" & I also know the bike limitations & strengths. Is it fast? Hell no. Will it out corner a Vespa? probably not. So what? Ride your bike & enjoy it for what it is. If nobody else likes it so what? Did you buy it impress your buddies or someone on the web? Some of you women need to grow a pair & realize that just because someone talks about how a certain bike may excel in some areas or may run a certain top speed or whatever, does not mean they are calling your bike a pile of dog crap. This is a bike enthusiasts site..sure its Buell based, but a lot of us have more than just a Buell in the garage. You may be shocked to realize just how many of your fellow Buell brothers own "jap 5hit". | ||
| Road_thing |
Jeez, Dyna, when did you get so reasonable?? Agreed! 100%! r-t | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
R-T, just gets real old when you have relative newbies to Buells & hell some to bikes in general, that spout off something they read on the web somewhere & now its gospel regarding their bike. Then they attempt to tell anyone who is excited about a different brand or bike or whatever, that they should go elsewhere. Where the hell do they get off telling anyone to leave? Like I said, this is an enthusiasts site & while I may not be a 110% full Buell supporter all the time, I do support those of us who ride them. I just came back from a trip up north to check out the Appleton area & visit with Dave for a bit. I guess some here would prefer I not do that since I dont preach the word of the Buell gospel. BTW...hopefully none of these folks here will learn that Dave also sells HD's....  In fact during the 1st 2 hrs the shop was open today he sold 2 HD's. | ||
| Blake |
Rocket, You are right about one thing, the combative content seems to have started with a Buell enthusiast. I wish I had seen the offending post sooner, but I missed it. It does however take two to tango. Shame on all who seek to sew derision here. Let's all call an end to this silliness. And I promise, next time I grid dead last and pass a couple 999's or a GSXR1000, I'll not offend your hyperbike sensibilities by telling you about it. Then again, I probably won't be entering any more Unlimited GP races with my '97 Buell Cyclone. I'll be perfectly happy getting beat by better riders on bikes with 20 rwhp less than mine. But I will be racing. So you'll let me enter the TT on your S1? Cool! Let's plan on it for next year.  Cheers, Blake | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
And I promise, next time I grid dead last and pass a couple 999's or a GSXR1000, I'll not offend your hyperbike sensibilities by telling you about it. Blake, I envy you racing but I also know as well as you do that rider ability plays a far greater role in racing than the particular bike you are on. On a small tight track the lower hp bikes can get by the bigger bikes simply because they can be ridden harder with less chance of the rider screwing up by riding over his head. But take that same setup to a track such as RA or Daytona & the smaller HP bikes dont have a chance. I too have passed riders on both R1's as well as ZX12R's on tracks such as Blackhawk. Is it because of some mysterious zen like aura over the bike? No its because I was able to push my bikes further towards its limits without fear of messing up. Yet try that with a litre bike & you can get in trouble real fast. Take 2 equal riders, put 1 on the Duc 999 & the other on your M2. Surely you dont claim an M2 can outhandle a state of the art 999 given equal riders? | ||
| Court |
>>>but a lot of us have more than just a Buell in the garage. As a fellow who had 3 Buells, 2 HD's, a KTM 250MZ, an XR80 and and XR250L...oh yes, and the Cushman in the garage...I bad mouth few bikes based on brands. My gripe was with the riders poor judgement about where he was employing the attributes of the bike and the fact that he was driving the speed he was. If he'd been in a Western Flyer wagon, I'd have been equally concerned. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that. Court | ||
| Cj_xb |
Why must you make being a girl an insult !!?? Stupid boys !! CJ |
