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Mfell2112
Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake ,

I love my bike. I love all Buells. I have had debates with people that bash Buells. Most of them never had the pleasure of riding one. I am the only owner of my bike. I don't abuse it, I take very good care of it. It has been in the shop four times in the 9000 miles I have owned it. I am not happy about it. My next house will have a garage. Unfortunatley I never built a garage where i am living now. When my ride breaks either I fix it in my shed,in the driveway,a friends garage, or Uke's. It would not be so bad if I had my own garage. Now I am at the mercy of the dealer to fix it. In the mean time I am not riding the bike. That sucks. If the bike spends half the winter at Uke's that is fine by me. In the middle of summer it just irritates the heck out of me. I am soory if I offended anyone in here. That was not my intention. I am a huge Buell fan despite my relentless critisism in here as of late. I pretty much said all i need to say until I see the bike and hopfully it will be as good as it was before the mount broke. Yea I know a busted mount is no big deal then again if I had a garage with a huge tool box most likely I would enjoy fixing it myself.

Regards

Mike
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Brucelee
Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mike,

I think all of us who ride Buells feel for you. It IS the pits to not be able to swing a leg over the Buell when the urge strikes.

Hang in there. I am sure there are people here who can help you find mounts that will NEVER break.

Good luck and keep riding!
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Newfie_buell
Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 11:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can the Most Excellent Sponsors provide with and aftermarket one such as Nallin's or American Sport Bike that will be better, stronger, and lighter

Of Course for a FEE
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dyna,
Reporting on a broken bike is fine and encouraged. Read my post again. I said that those seeking to "deride Buell" need not post on this site. I did not say those "reporting problems" need not post on this site.

Do you comprehend the difference between those two statements? Apparently not. Get a dictionary.
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Pdxs3t
Posted on Sunday, June 20, 2004 - 12:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mike,

Sorry to hear that you are with out your ride and have to endure having it in the shop whith prime riding season at your front door.

Machines break all the time, somtimes with no good reason what so ever.

Hang in there, a lot of us have been there before. Your bike will get fixed and you will once again be in the wind.
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Curtyd
Posted on Sunday, June 20, 2004 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dyna, GET your Corbin for about 100 bucks. A good auto upholster will fix you up, looks just as good and also add the extra padding. Never paid over 100 and you can even pick the same Corbin cover material, it's actually VW headliner stock from the old days. Watch when you add padding because it will raise your riding position some. A friend did one for my M2 with a yellow welt and everything and he did it for free one Sat. morning. Corbin uses a good molded padding, but that is also available and can be ordered. Corbins are pricey these days. I had one when they were 180 bucks, with passenger backrest! on my ZX7.
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, June 21, 2004 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mike wrote:
"The big problem I am having is the bolt broke in my head. "

Mike,
Have the head removed and get both mounting bosses checked for cracks. Use whatever non-destructive testing they'll swing for, but get them checked over very closely. Or at least ask them to and get their reply in writing. I'm not saying there will be cracks, but with what a very few others have posted/shown with their broken mounts checking the bosses over very closely is just basically a good idea if at all possible.

Food for thought.
Sucks to be rideless on the first official day of Summer.
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Shazam
Posted on Monday, June 21, 2004 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

off topic post:

Dyna, you should call and order that free sample of the tempurpedic matress stuff they are advertising all over the place and see if the sample is big enough for a motorcycle seat....

I may have to do this myself just out of curiosity.

26,000 miles on my X1 no mount problems, plenty downtime problems. YMMV
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Thunderbox
Posted on Monday, June 21, 2004 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I run the police garage in this city and we had BMW motorcycles for about 10 years. Sometimes after an accident we waited over 9 months for parts. More than the entire riding season in these parts.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Monday, June 21, 2004 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sam, I may just do that.

Think im gonna price out a stock seat too to experiment on that way if I screw it up no big deal.

Just pulled off the passenger peg mounts & ordered a rear seat cowl...mono seat now, screw that passenger crap on a sportbike.
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Thunderbolt
Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

wow, DaveS, I think you need to be educated on modern quality metrics. you 'know' of 150 bikes w/out a particular problem, so you think that's good enough to tell somebody with the problem that 'it's not widespread'. this is ridiculous--although i'm not surprised seeing that it's coming from a 'buell professional'. just on this micro-scale we have a ppm defect rate of OVER 6,500!!! That is obsurd by modern standards.

I'm not suggesting that the ppm defect rate for that problem is over 6,500, but with the little info we have in front of us (1 out of 150), it IS over 6,500 and that is outrageously high. "world class" quality in the modern transportation industry is a PPM rate of less than 30~50 PPM (depending on who you ask). and the goal of most modern companies is 'Six Sigma' (the BIG catch phrase in the industry) which translates to less than 5 defects per million. you rode your bike hard and it didn't break, that's great. the more you learn about quality the more you realize what a ridiculous statement that is. ONE bike breaking is BAD, VERY BAD. ONE bike NOT breaking is INSIGNIFICANT! It's time some of these dealerships stop pretending that 1 out of 10, 1 out of 100-hell even 1 out of 1,000 is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

Buell has made some huge strides in the quality of their products (yes, there was only one way to go, and yes, there's room for more improvement). The rest of their organization now needs to play catch up.
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Blackbelt
Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think we just need to break out the ol Guitar and have a rousing session of KUMBY YA
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Buellnuts
Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake, you having a bad day?
Mikes venting. Get over it!


In The Rain Forest, Bob

oop's Hope that didn't offend anyone!!
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 - 11:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think he got over it.
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Buellnuts
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 12:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dyna, that picture of your R1 in your profile I'm afraid may exceed the visual limit's of some people rendering them suseptable to brand change.

Lets try to stick with a more subtle smaller picture in the future K?

Sweet Bike Richard!!

Bob
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 12:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll keep that in mind: D LOL
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Koz5150
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think you guys are going way off the deep end on this defect stuff. There are many bikes and cars out that are much worse off then us. For instance I just got done reading an article about how the new 2004 Big Dog Choppers are having a problem with the fork seals pushing out of the forks after less then 500 miles. Not to mention the ignition coils are failing at an alarming rate. For that matter a friend of mine just had to return her Chevrolet Minivan because the doors kept popping open for no reason.

I understand a faulty mount sucks bigtime and should not happen, but get over it already. Things break, doo doo happens...

P.S. 8,000 miles on my 2002 M2. Only problems have been a bad speedo replaced under warranty and the rocker box gasket thing also fixed under warranty.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Koz..posting other manufacturers faults or problems does not excuse another manufacturer from their responsibilities to provide a dependable & safe bike.

Thats sorta like you going out and killing a person but then bitching at the cops they should leave you alone because your neighbor killed 3 guys. Both of you are wrong & no excuses are acceptable.
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Koz5150
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 01:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I understand that, all I was implying is that Buell is not the only company that has problems. I just get sick of reading people's complants (which makes me often question why I read the internet at all). Over time, things break, and sometimes that's just life. You do the best you can.

There is a reason you bought a Yamaha over a Buell this time, maybe some other people should think about making the same switch?
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Koz...yes reliability did play a part in the decision but it wasnt the only part. Sexy looks & performance where a huge factor in it. Price never even fell into the equasion at all.

Also market support..ie how many vendors are making cosmetic & performance parts for the bikes. Buell is severly lacking in that area acompared to its competition.
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Koz5150
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It is a good looking bike, I like it, but it is still just another I4 lost in a sea of squid bikes. And yeah, there is more after market but you don't have to put any aftermarket on a Buell and it will stand out in a crowd.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

sea of squid bikes
I see quite a few XB's being boughten & wrecked by squids. Suids are not simply a by product of
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Koz5150
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I use the term "squid bikes" to refer to run of the mill I4 type bikes. Squid riders is a completely different term. Yeah, a few of them buy XB's, but the 12's are still to expensive for the average squid rider. And maybe in Wisconsin you will see a number of XB's, but it's still a fraction of the number of I4's popping around town.
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Crusty
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Although my experience with Japanese Inline Fours has not been as good as my experience with V - twins,I wouldn't mind having another one. Actually, I'd like TWO Japanese Inline Fours; One to s--t on and one to cover it up with.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the 12's are still to expensive for the average squid rider.

Litre bikes are in the 10-11K range..same as the XB12's.
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Koz5150
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

3 and 4 year old used liter bikes are much more available then any used XB12s...
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Easyflier
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The R1 looks nice enough but it has to much bodywork for my taste.

The bike that caught my eye at the last Slimy Crud run was the Brutale. Maybe I can find a deal on one in a couple years if I still feel the same.

One thing I noticed when I was skimming the R1 forums is the biggest "problem" was, "How do I keep the front end down?". Bet it's a blast to ride and would surely get me killed if I had one. : )
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Outrider
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The funny thing is I actually understand this thread and don't really see any ranting here.

Nice discussion Guys. Seems to work a lot better without the cuss words.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The R1 looks nice enough but it has to much bodywork for my taste.

Too much? Most of the motor is exposed. The R1 has minimalist plastic on it. Small front fairing isnt a whole lot more than the Firebolts.
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, too much body work for my tastes too.

Dyna... Are you low on oil?
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