| Author | Message | ||
     Tucsonxb9s |
How would you fake that though? I've never been close to that kind of speed and don't plan on it. What killed me was that 120 mph wheelie up the hill! It didn't take much to get that front wheel of the ground. Just a twist and a small rise and hello sky! | ||
| M1combat |
I don't know... It just didn't seem right. It probably was though. My main clue was how long it took the light pole on the right to go by... edited by M1combat on June 22, 2004 | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
120 mph wheelies are nothing for these bikes. | ||
| Socoken |
which bike is that? yellow on the inside of the fairing, maybe the big gixxer? | ||
| Jasonblue |
To me it didn't sound like an IL4, but I guess it would of had to of been to get to that speed. Could a TL1000 have done that? | ||
| Kaudette |
M1 - the most legendary (US) street engines ever: 426 hemi (yeah I'm a mopar fan) - or even the wedge 427 L8 (I think that was the one) - from the 68 or 69 vette 351C, 302 shelby, then the run of the mill 340ARR, 327, even the late 289's were hot stuff... The 351C is a nice motor to build on but not top dog. Sorry bud. | ||
| Bads1 |
Kaudette you forgot Ford's 427 that they used in cobra's and Failanes and such.Like them side oiler motor's | ||
| Socoken |
the LS6 450hp 454 doesnt rank? the 440 wedge was actually faster than the 426 heres a list 50 FASTEST MUSCLECARS # YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS GEAR SOURCE 1 1966 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427 8V 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/65 2 1966 Corvette 427 12.8@112 L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.36 CD 11/65 3 1969 Road Runner 12.91@111.8 440 Six BBL 390 4-Speed 4.10 SS 6/69 4 1970 Hemi Cuda 13.10@107.12 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/69 5 1970 Chevelle SS454 13.12@107.01 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.55 CC 11/69 6 1969 Camaro 13.16@110.21 427 ZL1 430 4-Speed 4.10 HC 6/69 7 1968 Corvette 13.30@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.70 HC 5/68 8 1970 Road Runner 13.34@107.5 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 SS 12/69 9 1970 Buick GS Stage I 13.38@105.5 455 Stage I 360 automatic 3.64 MT 1/70 10 1968 Corvette 427 13.41@109.5 L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.55 CD 6/68 11 1969 Charger 500 13.48@109 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 4.10 HR 2/69 12 1968 Charger 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.23 CD 11/67 12 1970 Plymouth Superbird 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 ? ? ? 14 1968 Road Runner 13.54@105.1 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.55 CD 1/69 15 1973 Trans Am 13.54@104.29 455 SD 310 automatic 3.42 HR 6/73 | ||
| Socoken |
16 1969 Corvette 13.56@111.1 427 L88 430 automatic 3.36 HR 4/69 17 1969 Super Bee 13.56@105.6 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 4.10 HR 8/69 18 1969 Boss 429 Mustang 13.60@106 Boss 429 375 4-Speed 3.91 HC 9/69 19 1970 Challenger R/T 13.62@104.3 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 3.23 CC 11/69 20 1970 Torino Cobra 13.63@105.9 429 SCJ 370 automatic 3.91 SS 3/70 21 1968 Biscayne 13.65@105 427 L72 425 4-Speed 4.56 SS 4/68 22 1964 Polara 500 13.70@107.37 426 4V 365 4-Speed 3.23 HC 2/64 23 1969 GTX 13.70@102.8 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 MT 1/69 24 1969 Dart 440 13.71@105 440 4V 375 automatic 3.55 CC 5/69 25 1971 Road Runner 13.71@101.2 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CC 1/71 26 1971 Cuda 13.72@106 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 SS 4/71 27 1971 Corvette 13.72@102.04 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.36 CL 8/71 28 1971 Super Bee 13.73@104 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 12/70 29 1968 Hurst/Olds 13.77@103.91 455 W-30 390 automatic 3.91 SS 8/68 30 1970 Hemi 'Cuda 13.78@101.2 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 9/69 31 1968 Firebird 13.79@106 400 HO 335 4-Speed N/A HR 3/68 32 1967 Corvette 13.80@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.55 HR 5/67 33 1965 Catalina 13.80@106 421 6V ? 4-Speed 3.42 CD 3/65 34 1969 Super Bee Six Pack 13.80@104.2 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CD 7/69 35 1971 Boss 351 Mustang 13.80@104 Boss 351 330 4-Speed 3.91 MT 1/71 36 1966 Satellite 13.81@104 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CD 4/66 37 1969 Coronet R/T 13.83@102.27 440 4V 375 4-Speed 4.10 SS 4/69 38 1968 Cyclone GT 13.86@101.69 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 8/68 39 1969 Nova SS 396 13.87@105.1 396 4V 375 automatic 3.55 HR 7/69 40 1969 Shelby GT-500 13.87@104.52 428 CJ 335 4-Speed 3.91 SS 9/69 41 1969 Cyclone Cobra Jet 13.88@101.7 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 1/69 42 1970 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 13.88@95.84 455 W-30 370 automatic 3.42 CC 11/69 43 1962 Corvette 13.89@105.14 327 FI 360 4-Speed 4.10 HR 1/62 44 1969 Barracuda 13.89@103.21 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 SS 8/69 45 1962 Catalina 13.90@107 421 4V ? 4-Speed 4.30 MT 5/62 46 1969 Mustang Mach I 13.90@103.32 428 CJ 335 automatic 3.50 CL 3/69 47 1967 GTO 13.90@102.8 400 RA 360 automatic 4.33 CL 10/67 48 1970 Trans Am 13.90@102 400 RA 345 4-Speed 3.91 HR 2/70 49 1970 Torino Cobra 13.99@101 429 4V ? 4-Speed 3.91 MT 2/70 Legend: CC=Car Craft, CD=Car and Driver, CL=Car Life, HC=Hi Performance Cars, HR=Hot Rod, MCR=Muscle Car Review, MM=Mopar Muscle, MT=Motor Trend, SS=Super Stock | ||
| Socoken |
the Corvette had a 3.36 rear end, and STILL beat the hemi and the wedge. who were they kidding with 425 hp? THAT motor was a legend | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
And yet any 600 cc sportbike will absolutely kill any of those cars. Dont get me wrong, I love muscle cars more than anyone, but the legends & stories ahve made them quicker than they actually were. Personally I would love to have a 68 Trans Am or a 69 charger. | ||
| M1combat |
I didn't say the 351C was the best engine ever... Look at those posted 1/4 miles though... Only three engines below 400 cubes and which one is at the top? A 351C engined track car (not drag car) will be faster than a comparably equipped big block because of the weight savings which will equate to better handling. They rev higher too which is very important on the track. My stock 351C-2V reved to >8000 a few times before the rear main bearing went south (a common and easily fixed problem that I didn't know about on the 351C). Moving to rear engines big blocks start to come back on form as you can put more downforce on the rear of a car. The 351C IS one of the most legendary engines. I can see that you aren't a Ford fan Kaudette (to each their own, no biggie) but Ford IS the winningest company in the history of motorsport. You can see from those times posted that they had both the fastest big and small block. In case you are interested in venturing into race engines I only have one thing to say - Ford DFV  . Dyna - Those runs were done with 60's rubber... Probably stock rubber too. I'd like to see what happens when you put a set of modern tires on that '66 427. Street tires to be fair. Also, look at the drive ratio... Can you imagine what it would do at 4.11? A very common swap on that car. I'm sure it's flame bait and I don't mean it to be, but the only cars worthy of the name "muscle car" were the Corvette's, Camaro's and Mustang's. All the others won't turn AND didn't dominate drag racing. There's a guy that races a '71 Mach-1 against late model Corvettes, Mustangs and Camaros and does QUITE well. No, it's not a tube frame fiber bodied trailer queen . Well, maybe a trailer queen... | ||
| M1combat |
OK, I just re-read my post... I DID say the "MOST" legendary street engine ever... I overstated that by a LITTLE bit . I meant ONE OF the MOST... | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
The 351 cleveland is a hell of a motor. Had a 4 barrel version in a 72 mach1 for a few years. Think was pretty damn fast but didnt have a whole lot of top end. About 115-120 & she was running out of steam, but it would get up there pretty fast. Lousy gas mileage too, averaged somewhere around 8mpg. My buddy with a 351 windsor could get almost 20mpg. | ||
| Socoken |
Dyna, I didnt post any of that to dispute the bike vs car thing, its done, let it go. BTW, there is no such thing as a 68 trans am, i would know, ive got a 68 firebird 350 coupe M1 as far as musclecars go, you missed the mark a little. mustangs and camaros and firebirds were actually referred to as "pony" cars, made for the curves (sorta) as well as the strip. the FIRST muscle car was the GTO, which shared in turn with the Chevelle, the Dart, the Charger, the Torino, the Gran Sport, ect. the biggest surprise on the list to me is # 43, a fuelie 327 Vette. those are worth more than a penny these days. | ||
| Socoken |
as far as high revving small blocks go, ive seen a 283 chev on a dyno turn a couple hundred shy of 10,000 rpm before things started floating. | ||
| M1combat |
I've got a '72 Mach-1 and I've had it to an indicated 145. It has the 3.73 rear though. I suspect yours may have had the 4.11. Mine is the 2 barrel 2V version. Was yours 2V or 4V? They made both with both 2 and 4 barrel carbs. I prefer the 2V w/ a 4 barrel for the street and the 4V for a track car. Very soon now I'll be in the process of rebuilding that Cleveland. I'm shooting for 500HP and as much torque as I can get w/o stroking it. I should be able to get about 400 lbs or so. My main goals are torque and RPM's. I'm going with roller everything I can. My problem is that I need to keep the stock intake manifold because the rest of the car is stock and in very good shape. The car has a 351W in it ATM that I pulled from a '77 Mercury Grand Marquis. It has boatloads of torque, but only revs to about 4500. It's somewhat difficult to add any amount of throttle below 25 mph and not get a little chirp out of the tires. | ||
| Bads1 |
Trans AM ...first year was 69,Dyna.Myself I like the older ones like 62 Impala 409,63 Pontiac Catalina 428 tri power SUPER LIGHT,and some of the old Mopars like the Polara with a wedge in it.To me those were the cars that started the Muscle car era with all the flash and options.My heart though really belongs to the olds 442 W-30 and small block W-31 cars. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
I call all "firebirds" transams..yea I know its not right but oh well. And the 69 I thought was hideous, the 68 gorgeous. A 68-70 442 would be sweet, but never cared for the small block versions. 455 is the motor that belongs in those beasts. | ||
| M1combat |
"as far as high revving small blocks go, ive seen a 283 chev on a dyno turn a couple hundred shy of 10,000 rpm before things started floating." And that's why I like small blocks . You've got a point with the pony car thing but over the years they've all become "muscle cars". I stand corrected. I guess I just can't get excited about cars that don't turn well. The pony cars actually do handle "well" compared to modern cars it's just that you have to drive them like Parnelli Jones... power on oversteer  . Of course, monte carlo bars and subframe connectors help a lot too . You've gotta have a stiff chassis. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
M1...4 barrel stock but the rear end wasnt stock, buddy of mine owned it before me & he installed 4.56 gears. Thing would launch like a rocket, but quickly ran out of steam. Fun car for the stop light drags, but sucked on the highway. | ||
| M1combat |
I'd imagine . Was it four barrel or 4V? Or both? The 2V 4V thing is the intake and exhaust port size of the heads. The Pantera guys used the 4V heads with "port stuffers" because the ports are actually TOO big unless you're trying to run very high RPM's for a very long time (Le Mans). If you aren't doing that, it's better to have slightly smaller ports so as to get back the torque. | ||
| Bads1 |
Dyna some of the Olds small block cars were as fast if not faster then the the BIG blocks cars.I've owned both a 68 Olds 442 W-30 and a 70 Old's F-85 W-31 and the F-85 was a faster car then the other but it depended on the ordered package.I'd post pics but I can't cause I've never been able to use this frigg'n scanner.I'll have to get the wife to do that for me. | ||
| Bads1 |
Hey M1 and Socoken how about some pics of them cars.Damn I owned mine years ago and really miss them so much.I was young and it was a more easy come easy go type attitude.Now if I wanted to replace either of those cars I would cough up in the hood of 15-20 in the condition they were.The W-30 I bought at the ripe age of 14 in Burbank California and it came out on Prom night after restoration.The F-85 was a rare one 1 of 104 made post coupe 4 speed car and the only way to get it was to sell the other.Man I wish I had that one now. | ||
| M1combat |
I've got some pics but they're huge... I'll see what I can do. It's a VERY straight car w/ original paint and interior. The roof lining has been replaced but that's it. rim-blow steering wheel and all. I don't have digital pics of the interior but it's as good or better than the exterior. I swear just about every time I go into a place like Wal-Mart or something I come back out and either have someone waiting for me or a piece of paper on the window offering 15-20K. It's not for sale . | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Never owned a 442...in fact the only Olds I ever owned was a 1969 98. Big ole beast with the 455 in it. Could smoke a set a tires to the cords with ease. Beat quite a few so called muscle cars with my sled. Quite the sleeper it was, bought it off my moms uncle who was the original owner, still had the factory plastic seat covers in it. Best race I had with it was against a 70 Monte Carlo with the 454. The Monte put up one hell of a fight but I beat it by not quite a half car length. M1..it actually had the 2 barrel heads, but the 4V carb. Damn good torque out of it. Miss that car. Also had a 73 mustang notchback but it only had a 302 in it. Beautiful blue with the matching blue interior. 23-24 years ago tho, none of us really gave a crap about the cars, beat em & race em then sell em. Wish I had a time machine. | ||
| M1combat |
Here you are...  | ||
| M1combat |
he he... I don't know how many times my friends and I have nearly choked ourselves to death walking back from Whiskey Row with that wire in the forground . John one time decided to running leap kick it... Yeah, that was a stupid human trick . | ||
| M1combat |
It's the heads that are 2V or 4V. The carb is 2bbl or 4bbl. If it said 4V on the air filter cover it most likely had the 4V heads. Very nice heads mind you, but more track/high RPM oriented. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Dana almost forgot...back in 88 I believe I ha d a chevy van with a 400 small block in it. Headers, 4 bbl, etc. Thing ran pretty damn good. Anyways we were up in the Dells & about 10pm right at the light by Tommy Bartlets a 69 442 pulled alongside. We both reved the motors up a bit & were playing the game, light turned green & both of us had some pretty decent burnouts going on. I actually beat that damn 442 with my van. Had to be friggin hilarious for anyone watching. |
