| Author | Message | ||
     R1DynaSquid |
Still looks big as a bus wheel  Hopefully it doesnt turn like one. Does he happen to live near you at all? Maybe we will have to set up some street drags.  | ||
| Bads1 |
Dyna the car is not a drag car its a Road car meaning that the rear end and tranny are not designed for drag racing or the abuse of slipping or dropping the clutch.But if you were to race this car from a roll on it would without doubt beat your bike. btw He does live real near me and Scott from ATC seen the car up close and meet Dave last year at the 20th.He's the one that tried to help out Scooter with the broken Force pipe that cracked again none the less. edited by bads1 on June 21, 2004 | ||
| M1combat |
Do you know if he runs a Panhard, Watts or W link on the rear end? Or is it one of those neat home grown independent rear's? | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
But if you were to race this car from a roll on it would without doubt beat your bike. Wouldnt count on it. Top speed he may get me, but from a roll he has a huge weight disadvantage. Did you watch the video of the 865rwhp paxton blown viper against the Busas? | ||
| Bads1 |
M1 I wish I could answer that question.But I all I know its just for road racing.But I'll ask when I see him sometime this week.Not a homegrown deal at all I can tell you that. | ||
| Bads1 |
Yeah I saw it.It said they were on a 3 mile stretch.I also emailed that to my buddy he's familiar with that cars set up and 865 hp is crank on that car according to him.Daves Mustang Dynoed 754 hp at the tire's at Borchardt speed shop this year.And like I said Dyna again it does 170ish down the straight at Road America your bike in stock form couldn't accomplish that.Hell Superbike was doing about 175-180 when we were there. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Umm Dana, you do realize that a completely stock R1 with the exception of a belly pan & the usual safety wiring came in 11th during a superbike race. Believe me when I say that bike could definitely hit 170+ on RA's front stretch. BTW, according to the Vipers owner that 865 is rwhp..not crank. | ||
| Socoken |
 this is harder than i thought it would be | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
You can do it, keep the faith | ||
| Bads1 |
So then your bike is as fast as the factory teams?????Dyna you need to wake up on that one.Super stock that day were doing 160-165mph.How do I know that I tape all the races.And those bikes are a tad quicker then a stock bike.As far as that Viper to what I understand that a thing with advertisement for the company that built it for the guy.The viper is quick know doubt but they gave that car about what 3 miles to do it and it just beat it.Now the mustang less then what 1/2 mile,how long is RA's straight and the Mustang does 170 or so hmmmm. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
So then your bike is as fast as the factory teams????? Didnt say that. What I did say was a stock R1 picked off the showroom floor finished in 11th place in superbike, so yes a stock litre bike isnt that far of the pace from actual race bikes. RA's front straight is somewhere around 3200' I believe. | ||
| M2me |
You guys need to get a hobby! I like to watch the Weather Channel. Melissa Barrington has better numbers than an R1, Viper and everything else if you know what I mean!  | ||
| M1combat |
Ummm, just to throw some sense into the mix... Anyone know the drag co-efficient or the weight of either the Viper or the Mustang? | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
You mean arguing inane numbers that are never going to be proven one way or another isnt a hobby????? BTW..I am still wondering how this turned into a "oh yea well my neighbors buddy has a friend who's uncle can blow your bike off" thread? How's about a simple run what you brung & hope you brung enough? Use your own bikes, cars, tractors, whatever. Stuff you dont own doesnt count. If it did, then I want to borrow a McClaren or maybe I can hook up with an F1 car for the day. Somehow I think that stang would be seriously toasted. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Viper is somewhere around 3300 lbs. The mustang, no clue what the weight restrictions are for its class. But I would say it has to weigh at least 2500-2600 lbs if not more. | ||
| M1combat |
That's one of my favorite topics... Suspension systems. At some point I'll convert my Sonoma GT to a track car (truck) and have a four link located with a Watts link planned (And a torque arm of course). For the front it'll be a mixture of Monte-Carlo SS, Corvette and late 70's Chevy pickup (the ball joints). I've got the list of parts I need around here somewhere for the front. A little machining to relocate some steering linkage and it'll corner REALLY well. I can't wait to toast Porches mid turn in a truck  . Yeah, I know... There's an "s" in it . I'll probably rebuild the 4.3L Vortec that's in it but add Aluminum heads. I'm in the process of learning (at a slow pace) enough to design a fiberglass diffuser. It has what I've heard is a good splitter up to about 150 or so (with a bit of tweaking). I'm not sure what I want to do about that. I certainly don't want to run over it at 150... At some point I'll be making a chassis jig as well so I can just build my own neat stuff... Project number one will be a GT-40. I figure I'll start that within eight years and be finished about five to eight years after that. 351C for an engine and I'm not sure about the trans-axle yet. I'll probably do the body on that myself as well. I know a guy that's a retired Detomaso Pantera tech who says he has a few ideas though . Anyway, I'm talkin' pretty long term here. | ||
| Seanp |
Oooh, Detomaso Pantera - that's one of my dream cars. When I was a kid I read about a Pantera that had twin turbos, and it ran like a bat outta hell. I love that car, with European styling and American power. I'd love to have one... Too bad they're pretty rare. Maybe when I'm old and have money, I can get one... Sean | ||
| Kaudette |
Who cares about top speed & pure acceleration. On a race track, a car of the performance of the Stang or Viper mentioned will beat a stock R1. Forget the exit speed on the straight, look at the lap times. As for the GT40 - I'd love to have one of those as well - not enough time & $$$.... That being said, I'd go for the "true" big block as opposed to 351C - never liked the Cleveland myself. I know ERA can "find" or build a 428 which would be amazing. (throw some Webers on that baby and let it scream!) | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Who cares about top speed & pure acceleration. On a race track, a car of the performance of the Stang or Viper mentioned will beat a stock R1. Forget the exit speed on the straight, look at the lap times. And for the amount of time & cubic $$ invested in them I would hope so. | ||
| Outrider |
Hi Guys...Correct me if I am wrong, but at Road America they add a chicane to shorten the straight for motorcycles but do not use it for the cars. The purpose of the chicane is to limit the bike's speed going into the next turn for safety reasons. Don't know if this will help you guys with your car vs bike comparo, but it is something to consider. | ||
| Bads1 |
Bill thats on the back straight if memory serves. | ||
| Outrider |
Dana...Don't know, only heard about it from a fellow that raced there. Was only on one straight so if there are more than one, it would be on the longest. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
The chicane was added to the back before you get into the hurry downs & setuo for canada corner. | ||
| Daves |
They put it on the back straight(between turn 9 and Canada corner) to slow you down before you hit the "kink" if you miss the kink you hit a cement wall. Dave | ||
| Daves |
and ps, My dad is tougher than your dad. Dave | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
LOL Dave, that was the exact same thing the wife said. Laughed her @ss off about it | ||
| Clydeglide |
Stuff you dont own doesnt count. for sure BTW, my race/tow Caprice is faster than my Busa . I own it so it must be true.   | ||
| M1combat |
Kaudette - The Cleveland has torque delivery just like the XB12. It's a platau and the engine is capable of more than 9K RPM's. The reason I want to use that instead of the 429 is that it's lighter and I don't need as much power as I can get from a 429. I figure 600HP will be PLENTY in that chassis. Also, the 351C was the first engine to reach 200Mph on the Mulsanne straight as I recall. The MOST legendary street engine ever. It's near perfect except for the oiling problems that killed most of them... Easily fixed though . Big blocks are for drag racing. I've got no interest in that. | ||
| Tucsonxb9s |
I'm sure you've all seen this before, but for those who haven't...oh my. I can only imagine that this is what it feels like on Dyna's R1. Children, please do not try this at home! http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=bikespeed.avi | ||
| M1combat |
Hmmm, that sure didn't LOOK like the indicated speed.... |
