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     Aydenxb9 |
Well, it's 2 in a row for Andrew Hines on the Screamin'Eagle V-Rod today in Englishtown. Did it in style, covering the field by nearly .15 lowering both the national E.T. and Speed records with a best of a 7.02 @ 192 mph blast in the final. Fred Collis on the Start Racing Buell qualified 8th and lost in the second round to Andrew. Who'd thunk that these bikes would ever have anything for the IL-4 contingent, but I like seeing it happen, I like it a lot! | ||
| Ftd |
They'll be in the 6's real soon! | ||
| Blake |
That is great! What best time did the "Buell" entry achieve? | ||
| Ftd |
Buell ran a 7.12 last week and qualified 2nd. Lost first round with a tranny issue. Qualified 8th this week with a 7.2-. Won first round but raced Hines in second. Ran well but Hines was unbeatable. GT red lighted (again). What is with him?? | ||
| Ftd |
Check out the race info: http://nhra.com/2004/events/race11/results/sunday_psb.html | ||
| Kenb |
I have a question, the Buell is an S&S engine. Does any body know the configuration ? The v-Rods are 60° OHC 8 valve twins but I have no idea what the Buell/S&S is. They won some best engineering awards for the bike so I'm curious what is lurking in their engine bay. | ||
| Jeffb |
Actually, the PS Vrod engine has NOTHING in common with the street engine other than the V angle. It is a pushrod 2 valve air cooled engine. The S&S is also a 60 deg. It is a 4 cam pushrod engine with integral transmission. Pretty much the coolest frickin' aircooled engine around. Here are some pictures of the Vrod I took at the Indy dealer show last winter. Jeff    | ||
| Kenb |
well now that's interesting. What are all those pulleys driving on the v-rod engine ? | ||
| Kenb |
looking at the pictures a little more I see that there is a pulley on the left side for the front cylinder and one on the right for the rear cylinder. I assume this is for the cams but not high enough up to be truly overhead. Do they use a mid mounted cam with short pushrods ? sounds wierd but what else could that pulley in the closeup picture be running ? The pulley going to the rear runs the fuel pump I guess ? Cool pictures none the less but just raises more questions. | ||
| Jeffb |
Here is one more I missed the first time.  | ||
| Jeffb |
Here are a couple of pics of Fred on the S&S/G2 Buell.   | ||
| Socoken |
that is so cool, ive seen airplanes with smaller air scoops than that! | ||
| Kenb |
that right side picture of the engine confirms that's the cam pulley. sits next to the cylinder. I wonder why, maybe easier to tear down. gotta love where the front exhaust dumps out | ||
| Blake |
Ken, Read Jeff's post above... "pushrod engine".  | ||
| Jeffb |
You are both right, I think. The rules say you must run pushrods. However, you can move the cams up the cylinder in order to shorten the pushrods and reduce deflection for improved valve control. So it is kind of a high-bread created by stretching the rules. I haven't seen inside the V&H engine, so I am just guessing. Details on the S&S engine will be posted somewhere I am sure. The NHRA rules say it is a max 160" @ 60 deg, requires pushrods and can only have 2 valves per head. Check out dragbike.com. G2 been posting some info there. Jeff | ||
| Benm2 |
There was an article in one of the major US magazines about the V&H bike over a year ago. It is pushrod, and it is using the rules to their fullest advantage. I think that V&H also pressured the NHRA into increasing the displacement limit for pushrod twins in the class during their first year. | ||
| Kenb |
Blake, I understand it is a pushrod motor but looking at the pictures and those pulleys, says to me it isn't a traditional HD layout; sportster, evo big twin, or twin cam. Don't matter to me either way, I'm watching drag racing just to see how the twins do now ! I read some of George Bryce's comments on dragbike and he alludes to the fact that the S and S motor uses a cam layout similar to the sportster engine. the displacement limits for the twins is 160 ci the inline 4s get limited to 92 ci. | ||
| Kenb |
found a picture of the g squared engine; http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/articlefiles/495-star02.jpg | ||
| Jeffb |
Cool. I hadn't seen that article. Here is a link to the article and more info on the engine. http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/templates/news_template.asp?articleid=495&zoneid= 2 Jeff | ||
| Kenb |
After Hines ran away with things over the last 2 weeks they bumped the weight up to 615lbs for the v twins from 575. So now they actually have a weight disadvantage on the 4s | ||
| Aydenxb9 |
Is H-D/Buell going to become the motorcycle equivalent of the former Chrysler Corp. in NHRA? Kinda looks that way. | ||
| José_quiñones |
The AMA sure misses the VR1000 Superbike precisely for this reason, it brought a lot of HD fans to the track. The AMA FX Buells are not getting that amount of attention from the HD fans yet. If they can get closer to the front and get more TV coverage on Speed it will surely help. | ||
| José_quiñones |
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| José_quiñones |
My favorite quote of the whole article
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| Blake |
Too bad HRC doesn't operate the same way huh? Is that what you are thinking? | ||
| Rocketman |
Blake, if you're racing Superstock or Superbike, be it at national or world level, HRC sell their race kit to Joe Public. You want that Ken Take 201mph Fireblade in road going or Superbike racing trim, for about £20000 Ken Take will build you one and it is reliant upon HRC's Race Kit. Rocket | ||
| José_quiñones |
HRC? No, HD and BMC. | ||
| Ftd |
VRods and Buell all qualified but did not run so well this week (7.30's). The extra weight affected them tremendously. They have some work to do to get back to where they were. | ||
| Blake |
JQ, I'm pretty sure that either Hals or Kosko will gladly help you get exactly the same parts that they use in their racing bikes. Try getting the racing parts from HRC that comprise the fully raced prepped superbikes that propel Ben and Miguel down the track. Your view of things is strangely inaccurate. Rocket, Yep. And for £20000, I'm sure Cycle-Rama or NRHS or Hal's, or Kosko/Richard Cronrath will be happy to build you an FX calibre racing Buell. José imagines some great disparity where none exists. It just takes money, no matter the manufacturer or race team. | ||
| Mikej |
Blake, For reasons not open to public discussion JQ might not be able to get exactly the same parts used on the race bikes. Some? Yes. All? No. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
For reasons not open to public discussion JQ might not be able to get exactly the same parts used on the race bikes. Some? Yes. All? No. Damn straight on that. Some are actually made out of unobtanium & no matter how much  you wave, they will just tell you no such part exists. | ||
| José_quiñones |
That quote is pretty clear and accurate, S&S/G2 are taking a shot at the HD V&H program and how they are running it, which is in the same spirit that HD has run their racing programs in the past (Blast Dirt Tracker, VR1000) and Buell has to a lesser degree, where they don't sell what they race or race what they sell. They don't mention Honda or HRC ever in that article, they are not drag racing against them they are racing against HD. Where do you find a reference to HRC in that article to bring them in to this discussion? I quoted that simply because I agree with what S&S and G2 Motorsports are saying. More power to them. | ||
| Mikej |
Sometimes a "no" can be turned into a "maybe" with the right approach.  | ||
| Davegess |
Build yourself an FX bike and get it as close as money will allow to the factory bikes. You will need a Road Race resume to get some of the parts. Some of the parts will not exist Go out, run fast, scare the semi factory Buells. Suddenly some parts that didn't exist will exist. Happens all the time. All you need is money and talent the classic racing story. |
