| Author | Message | ||
     R1DynaSquid |
Mike, scary aint it? BTW, you coming out tonight? | ||
| Mikej |
Probably, got directions? I-43 southbound. Have to head home for a few minutes first though, but should be able to head south before 6. | ||
| Bomber |
Dyna -- good on you, brother -- I'll not post on HP vs Torque, won't tell you to be careful (I know you're skill level), won't rain on your parade, cuz, at the end of the day, you're having a freaking BALL out there with your scoot! Huzzah! | ||
| Mikej |
Looks like I get off at Becher and take the frontage road to Lincoln and turn east and go for a bit until I see a blue bike parked by a big burger. I'll be riding the S2 at double-digit speed, I'll get there eventually.  | ||
| Brucelee |
Sending the organ donor card. Never know when I might need one or more replacements. Keep riding that fast! | ||
| M1combat |
Sheesh, A little trolling and everyone goes nuts... "Montoya is a Columbian." I know but when I say that people look at me funny. Most people think he's Brazilian as they used to say in F1. They have corrected it lately. "M1, Try 800 HP. " What are you talking about? The HP in a NASCAR? Where'd that come from? Anyway... Deaths over the last ten years... Isn't it seven to two in favor of NASCAR? "but it damn sure is serious racing" I never said it wasn't Blake. As a matter of fact I think it's one of the best examples of the art of racing there is. It is NOT however, one of the best examples of driving. There's a difference. Please try to read and interpret my posts before you flame me. Every time you jump on me you tend to not make much sense. "Lose the hate" What hate are you talking about? I love all forms of motorsport. It's a fact that it takes more skill to be competitive in F1 compared to NASCAR. I mean really... I respect NASCAR for what it is. I don't watch it too much any more since Earnhardt died but I certainly respect the drivers. Of course there are a few that are good road course drivers but the lions share are not. Did I say it doesn't take balls to drive a NASCAR in traffic at speed? No, I don't think I did. Please keep your criticism to stuff I actually said. "I think Jeff Gordon, given a normal shot, would do well in open wheeled racing of any kind." Agreed. As would Tony Stewart. I doubt that either would be very competitive in F1. They maybe a little quicker that Timo Glock or Zolt Baumgartner sure, but they wouldn't be competitive. "HP (torque at the rear wheel) rules the race track, period." I know dude... It's about torque multiplication. I was trolling just like Dyna was. edited by M1combat on June 15, 2004 | ||
| 420at145mph |
i think blake is just on the rag somedays | ||
| Uwgriz |
Just to post the actual results, Gordon ran very respectable times in the F1 car and would have been extremely close or qualified for the US Grand Prix. Montoya had a tough time adjusting to the stock car as he was braking too late for that particular car. Given more time, he certainly would have adjusted better but for that day Gordon ran closer to Montoya's times in the F1 car than Montoya did to Gordon's times in the stock car. | ||
| M1combat |
I'm not worried about him being upset about something I said. (keep in mind I did not say I don't care) What bothers me is that when he jumps down my throat he tends to read an entire thread and then jump me for everything everyone said in the entire thread, or he jumps on me about stuff NOBODY said. It's happened two or three times as I recall. Anyway, sorry about being a party to ruining your thread Dyna... I was just trying to poke the bear a little. I'd love to have a current IL4. It would be a ZX10 but that's not the point. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Thread isnt ruined at all, just dont understand why people have to give Blake grief. He's the boss here & you either deal with it or you leave..simple as that. Nothing worth getting all upset about anyways. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
I'd would like to experience that kind of performance but I really like the S1. Myself and a friend went riding Saturday past on a short (60km) road along the coast that winds itself along the actual coastline. Very twisty and so much fun, I just left the S1 in 4th and wound through most of the turns at 120-140kph. It was an absolute hoot, best time I had on the bike in a long time. Boys it don't matter what you ride so long as your careful and don't ride outside of your talent. Everyone has their preference and you can't knock a person for their opinions. We are as different as the bikes we ride!!!!! Please be careful and be safe. | ||
| M1combat |
I guess I don't mean to give him grief really, it's just that it seems each time he decides to take issue with me it's about what someone else said or a misinterpretation of what I said. Not that he's never been spot on but most of the time I have trouble trying to figure out where he's coming from WRT to chewing my ••• about something. Anyway... HP and torque both have their place on the racetrack. The main reason that Renault is fast these days is their torque. They don't have the top speed that HP will give them, but they are fast everywhere else on the track because their power starts down low. Their aero package helps too. Uwgriz - I remember it that way too. I'm not sure, but I think that given a few more laps to both drivers Montoya would have qualified for a race and I'm not too sure that Gordon would have been within 107% of the pole in F1. Respectable laps certainly, but Gordon is also known as a road course guy in the circles of NASCAR. He's the exception. Not to propagate any disrespect from me, but F1 drivers are the cream of the crop for a reason (except those guys that pay to drive, they torque my chain). | ||
| Bads1 |
M1 do you know why BUELL didn't run the first couple races in FX this year??? | ||
| M1combat |
Not enough HP for the longer straights? If not why? | ||
| Bomber |
M1 -- my experience is that you're **** will get chewed if you just happen to be downrange . . . . . no big deal, ya know? | ||
| 420at145mph |
meh ill just say it nascar is boring WOO! CIRCLES!!! | ||
| Bads1 |
I thought Torque win races???Even in the tight areas of the tracks they were off 2-6 seconds in most areas of the track.Although BUELL is doing very well little more HP would help. | ||
| M1combat |
I was mostly trolling Dana. Torque only wins races when you twist the engine up high enough that you start making plenty of HP. I was mostly alluding to the fact that HP is a "mythical" number. Of course the most legendary engines were high torque engines. It takes high torque to make high HP UNLESS you are capable of spinning it up to ~10504 RPM's. Then less torque will do because you are able to use gear ratios to put more engine revolutions into each tire rotation. Torque multiplication. I was trying to get Dyna's goat by stumping him as to how to prove that HP was the king because unless you understand torque multiplication it's nearly impossible to prove that HP wins races. Except of course by watching a race but that's conjecture due to the number of variables involved. Torque however is the application of rotational force. True power as opposed to mechanically altered power so to speak. I guess I still stick to the fact that torque and RPM wins races as opposed to HP, but torque and RPM IS HP. You'll notice that most race engines do not spin to 10K RPM's. In my book (which is admittedly not THE book) this would be classified as more of a torque engine because it still relies on "grunt" down low. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Cant get my goat..he has at least 155rwhp  Torque? Hell if I know, but he farts a lot. | ||
| Southernmarine |
I gotta jump in on this one. Going back to that show where Gordon and the Indy driver swapped cars, turning lap times in both vehicles. If I remember correctly, and I do, After a couple attempts, Gordon was turning times as fast as the Indy Car driver, in the Indy Car. Gordon used to and pretty much still owns the road courses in NASCAR (Man I hate saying good things about Gordon, can't stand it, not a Gordon fan). | ||
| M1combat |
It was an F1 car  . As I recall they had it tuned down a couple hundred HP. Gordon is certainly the road course guy in NASCAR, but there are a couple others that are good as well. | ||
| M1combat |
"The team was highly impressed with Gordon's effort with team manager Dickie Stanford remarking that given a four day test Gordon would be right on the pace in F1." I still think it would take less time for Montoya to be on the pace in NASCAR. | ||
| Bomber |
saying that a Nascar hotshoe can't make the grade on a road course would be like saying a dirt track rider can't roadrace . . . . .Nickey Hayden and Kenny Roberts (among others) might chuckle . . . . I've got nuthin against NASCAR -- it's just turned into more of a marketing campaign than a racing series, IMHO . . .the machines, crews and drivers are toppnotch I WOULD like to see Nickey and the other scooter drivers be able to make as much money as Gorden though . . . .. . | ||
| Glitch |
I don't care to watch NASCAR, but, their push rod engine technology sure is welcome. | ||
| Blake |
I'll try to be clear then M1. I'm certainly not jumping down your throat. Is that how you perceive an opposing viewpoint or one that corrects inaccurate information?  Nextel Cup cars run 800 HP. I've seen it in print and in the commentary during the races. Think about it, they are still accelerating hard at 200+ mph. They have to put restrictor plates on them to slow them down to 200 mph on the super-speadways. Don't take my word for it. Plenty of websites surely talk about the performance of the Winston Cup, now Nextel Cup, cars. You obviously don't appreciate the skill required to be successful in the top series of NASCAR racing. I for one do believe that Jeff Gordon would be successful at whatever type of automobile racing he would see fit to attempt. You are free to believe as you wish. Makes no difference to me. It's all racing and to sit here pontificating about which driver would do better in another form of racing is purely acedemic. I just tire of the disrespect put upon the NASCAR racers and their fans. It is negative and hurtful. Stick to the positive. | ||
| Glitch |
I just tire of the disrespect put upon the NASCAR racers and their fans. It is negative and hurtful. Stick to the positive. Some of this due to the Speed Channel letting NASCAR take over and putting motorcycle racing on the back burner, some of the other is a lot of people look at NASCAR as a hillbilly/redneck sport because it started in the south. I don't disrespect any legal racing, I just don't care for auto racing in general, the one exception being World Rally Racing. | ||
| Sshbsn |
You know, THEY are probably the best pure drivers in racing. Maybe no strategies for traffic, drafting, etc. but they don't race the same,memorized few miles over and over and over. Extremely cool stuff, and stunning driving ability! | ||
| M1combat |
"a lot of people look at NASCAR as a hillbilly/redneck" Heck I sort of see myself as a bit of a hillbilly/redneck... "Is that how you perceive an opposing viewpoint or one that corrects inaccurate information?" No... That's how I perceive someone throwing a heater at me based on a misinterpretation of what I said or something I just plain didn't say. I understand it takes two though... I'll try to be more clear when making a point and I'll try to be more obvious when I'm just playing devil's advocate. I really don't mean to sound like a NASCAR hater as such, but it's certainly pretty low on my list of entertaining motorsport. Keep in mind though, just about all I ever watch is the Speed Channel so I certainly get my fill of NASCAR. Just for the record - Daytona, Talladega and Bristol are some of my favorite races to watch. Right up there with the IOM-TT, Monaco, Baja 1K, FIA GT, any rally and Moto GP. Lately I've been getting a lot of enjoyment from CORR too. That's some cool stuff. I wish they had better tracks though. Really though, I think some of the best circuit racing available today would be the Australian V8's. That's fun to watch. | ||
| Bads1 |
800 HP is right on the mark.I've got a buddy that has a Nascar motor in his sedan Mustang set up for roadracing.The tranny is I guess somewhat different then Nascar as so is the rearend.The car was clocked 206 mph in the county in Burlington Wi. by a local cop.And clocked at 168 mph on the front straight before shutting down for turn one.The car is dynoed alittle over 750 rwhp.That kinda power is insane. | ||
| M1combat |
Fastest thing I've been in was a slightly breathed on Viper. LOTS of torque . |
