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Socoken
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 04:25 pm: | 
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if i had to chose between the Duc 916 and the R1, id throw rocks at the R1. |
M1combat
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 05:01 pm: |
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 , LOL. |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 07:12 pm: |
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You couldnt catch the R1 on that old tank Duc |
M1combat
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 07:45 pm: |
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Well, when some squid zings by at 175 on an R1 I'll be saying "What the heck was that guy riding?". When some squid zings by at 150 on a 916 I'll say "That's some Stylin' there. A class act."
Or something to that effect anyway... |
Bykergeek
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 08:50 pm: |
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999= sweet
916= old hat & boring.
Dyna, You simply Could Not Be More Wrong here. The 916/748/996/998 are some of the finest examples of 2 wheel design and will endure 100 yrs from now when nearly every other motorcycle will be long forgotten. |
Jon
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 09:17 pm: |
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El Rockeeto,
I'm with you on your comments about the Duc. One of these days... |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 09:33 pm: |
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Fishin is good today
Lots of bites. |
420at145mph
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 10:05 pm: |
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how troll-ish
the whole thread
nice dukes tho
edited by 420at145mph on June 14, 2004 |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 10:09 pm: |
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I was baiting Dyna a little, and I knew he'd bite, so let's carry on the fun. Before we do though, I'd just like to say, it seems the R1 is no favourite for anyone in this thread, except Dyna of course 
I won't go into details but my good friend had to part with the 916 despite it being his treasure for nearly nine years. He found a 2002 R1 on Ebay, nicely modified, mainly cosmetic but for the pipe, and a bargain price to boot.
Tonight we've done about 150 miles, mainly all quite narrow twisting country lanes in East Yorkshire. Did I say England's basking in glorious sunshine these days, and looking great too. Chuck in the odd long straight or three, courtesy of some long dead Romans, and a couple of Worthingtons shandys to finish off an awesome ride, and you end up overdosing on two wheeled euphoria.
The more I ride the 916 the better I get. My confidence is well up and I'm really feeling what the 916 is doing under me. She likes to under steer a little in long fast sweepers so it's absolutely essential to hang off. Carrying high corner speed my knee is nearly down given the right sort of corner. Roundabouts are good practice and demonstrate how much grip is available, even at such low speeds, on the edge of the tyres. Again, hanging off is the secret to getting your knee down. I haven't managed yet but I'm close.
Another aspect of cornering, around a slow tight corner you carry a lot of corner speed by sitting up and pushing the bike down. To perfect this you are counter steering and winding the throttle on smoothly. You're exit speed can be quantified by seeing who you can gain on, on a more powerful machine. The smoother you hold the counter steer, and open the throttle, and shift back into the seat as the bike comes upright, the quicker you'll be in a position to fire it off the corner. As you all know, V twins excel in such manners. The 916 does this brilliantly.
My mates 2002 R1 can only just stay in front on the straights. Yes it does have great low down acceleration but the 916 loves the punch over 6 grand and that's where the R1 gets its heels snapped at, thus the 916 can take the R1 in a lot of the corners because it catches the R1 under braking.
My mate says his R1 is soulless. Yep, straight from the owners mouth. Don't believe me? Give him a call on 0800 R123SHIT.
Anyway Dyna, just so's you know I'm talking shite, Ian Armstrong came in 9th in the Formula 1 TT, riding a STOCK 2004 R1, except for a pipe and slicks. His average time, an incredible 119.07mph! You up for it next year?
Rocket
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R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 11:00 pm: |
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I know sean, was hoping to get a few more reeled in. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 12:45 am: |
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No not at all Greg. I'm happy to share on the BadWeB the delights of 916 ownership. Truth is, what makes me more happy than anything else is the 916's performance.
I've ridden loads of proper fast bikes. Blades, Busa's, R1's included but I've never ridden a truly fast V twin, until now. The difference between the 916 and my 100 rwhp S1W is surprising. I wouldn't have imagined the acceleration of the 916 to be so much more than a hot S1W but it's in a different league, everywhere.
I wish my S1W had the 916's performance. It's going to be difficult to ever get back on the Buell unless I go out on my own. I reckon one could fit a 916 type engine in a Buell
Rocket
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420at145mph
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 12:49 am: |
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i read somewere that this guys 15thousand mile or 25 thousand mile service was 5000+ dollars!!!
and the inital service with valve adjustments costs over 500$
thats nuts plain n simple |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 01:33 am: |
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Plain and simple? DIY my friend. Belt change is easy and the shimming is simple mechanically. Hopefully you'll understand some basic math if you're going to attempt shimming a Ducati, and you'll know how to read a feeler gauge and a micrometer.
The number of times this gets referred to on this board amazes me. Who started the rumour? Well, if nothing else it must help keep Ducati's somewhat exclusive.
Rocket |
420at145mph
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 03:30 am: |
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are u trying to say that Ducatis are NOT very "sensitive" in terms of EVERYTHING having to be adjusted PERFECTLY every time
everyone ive EVER talked to thats owned a ducati has made some sort of ya there •••••• awesome BUT.....they HAVE to be tuned alot or something to that nature |
Kevyn
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 09:35 am: |
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didn't we just go through this?
The time you spend performing basic maintenance on a Ducati is well rewarded. It does require basic mechanical abilities and the willingness to learn and a few tools. But hey, it's not that bad. If you can read, follow directions, work a torque wrench, feeler gauge, micrometer you're probably there.
No wait, what am I saying here...Ducati motor maintenance is a black art, fiendishly complex. Only the most highly trained, experienced and professionally certified should attempt to fool with a Ducati. If you do anything wrong, the motor will grenade immediately leaving you weeping and wondering where you'll get tens of thousands of dollars to get it fixed. You'll swear never to touch the motor again and attempt to pre-pay the most famous mechanic in all of Italy to do the maintenance instead.
Feel any better now? |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 09:45 pm: |
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My friend owned my 916 for nine years. He bought it when it was one year old. Traded an 851 Superbike for it too. Both the 851 and the 916 have proven reliable. Yes he had them serviced at a Ducati dealership.
Last year, despite regular belt changes, a belt snapped. The circumstances were unusual in the respect that when the belt snapped she was against the rev limiter at 11000rpm in top. About 165mph then. The damage wasn't so bad, just some bent valves. My friend removed the front head (he's a printer) only to discover two cracked valve guides. They'd probably been cracked for sometime. Supplying and fitting guides would have cost around £100 each. My friend instead bought a used head off an SPS for £250, the only difference being the cams. That head, along with new belts and gaskets (and a shim job on both pots) were fitted without any expert knowledge or tools - at home.
The 916 is ten years old and fast approaching 20000 miles. In that time one belt has snapped. That's it. Nothing else. That really is it.
Does my 916 sound reliable to you?
Here's a little known fact. If you maintain your Buell a Ducati will present you with no problems, though a little more work load due to the difference in complexity.
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Crusty
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 10:04 pm: |
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Wait a minute. 20,000 miles in ten years? And you only had to replace one head. Yup, that's reliability all right.
The more I hear about other people's experience with other brands, the more I love my Buell. |
Mark_in_ireland
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 09:57 am: |
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Quote...And you only had to replace one head. Yup, that's reliability all right.
Yes, only the front head on my S1 Lightning, plus battery, plus rectifier, plus front brake 3 times...see my profile for the rest..........on my Ducati, 1 rectifier.....Yup, thats reliability all right!
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Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 10:02 am: |
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fact is, there ain't no such thing as a maintenance free scooter . . . . . not if it's any fun, anyways |
Glitch
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 10:44 am: |
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My stator went out on my 2003 XB9S at 20,000 miles.
I don't think you're riding much if it takes you 10 years to get to 20,000. Must not be the only bike in the garage. |
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