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Bomber
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 03:09 pm: | 
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reep; . . .thanks . . .. . .
as for odor, I've got an old enamal bed pan in the entropy lab (for those winter days when the 50 feet to the house just ain't worth it . . . .. . ) I'm guessing I could, er, generate some foul smelling . . . .ah, never mind |
Captainkirk
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 12:48 am: |
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I was able to drive the pin back in with a little effort. I may try "wicking" LocTite sleeve retainer (the green stuff). I'm updating to the new primary tensioner and drum detent plate. Unfortunately there's no supersedure for the pesky little clip. Anybody having any shifting difficulties at all should check this out at earliest convenience. It's not as scary as it looks. |
Blasterd
| | Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 01:27 pm: |
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CaptKirk,
What were your dimensions on your primary sprocket lock tool?
Ken |
Captainkirk
| | Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 03:59 pm: |
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Ken,
1/8" aluminum stock
1 inch width, 4 1/4 inches long. Both ends tapered. You have to kinda fine tune the length for a really tight fit. Looks to be identical to the drawing in the service manual
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Captainkirk
| | Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 04:22 pm: |
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Sorry. That pic came out really crappy. Anyway, you get the idea, right? |
Captainkirk
| | Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 05:12 pm: |
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For those who've been following this thread;
Got my new parts yesterday. The first thing I noticed is the difference in detent plates. (upgraded P/N is 33656-90A). The first difference is the profile of the ramps. The old ones are rounded and the new ones are star-shaped. The second difference is the composition. The old plate is aluminum alloy and the new one is steel. This in itself is enough for me to recommend anyone with a '99/earlier bike to change this part ASAP. As far as function goes, we'll have to see. I'll keep you posted.
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Captainkirk
| | Posted on Monday, May 31, 2004 - 01:32 am: |
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And, while changing out my primary shoe to the new style, as so many of you have recommended, lookie what I found!
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Blasterd
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2004 - 10:55 pm: |
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Captinkirk,
Where did you get the sockets you used to get the mainshaft & Clutch basket nuts off with? I went around to 11 stores this weekend and not the first in those sizes were found. I replaced my primary shoe and gasket last year so I am running the new style already and I went ahead and pulled the rocker box covers since they were leaking up a storm and should be finished by this weekend. By the way, my tank has rubbed a big gash into the frame, it might be something worth checking out if you had the time.
Ken |
Captainkirk
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 12:35 am: |
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Ken,
Actually I borrowed 'em from my brother. I ordered a pair from the Mac tool dealer but won't get them 'til possibly tomorrow...and I rode it tonight! Just couldn't wait, I guess. BTW, it sure shifts nice now.
I'm ripping into it to do rocker box gaskets SOON (as soon as I get my cams, that is) so I'll check the frame/tank thing then. Thanks for the tip! I had the tank off last year when I did the Thunderslide and it was OK then. Blake's tip about the inner tube/RTV is a good one. I've been using clear chafe tape under the seat where it's wearing and it does a good job. I can get you a roll through one of my suppliers but it's kinda expensive. I can also get you the sockets through my Mac dealer if you need those. BTW- did you get the upgraded rocker box to head gaskets? They are now one piece steel instead of two piece gasket material (from the XB's I'm told) and supposedly do a much better job. If you didn't get these, exchange them before you start! |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 08:32 am: |
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Sears has a good selection of individual sockets in large sizes, generally in stock, and they are reasonably priced. Thats where I ended up finding many of the ones I used. |
Blasterd
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 11:51 am: |
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Got them Kirk, ordered them from Daves a while back when they first seeping. Was thinking about cams myself, did you price them? My tank looks terrible at the bottom where the staples hit it, I tried some adheasive padding but it only lasted a week. The groove where it hits the frame is worn into the bare metal. yikessss! Let me know how much the sockets are through Mac tools, tried Sears Reep and although they did have a nice selection, they didn't have anything larger than a 27mm.
Ken |
Ftd
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 02:34 pm: |
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A good cushioning material I have used is the clear tubing from hardware stores. Get the appropriate diameter for your use, slit it and then it'll virtually adhere by itself to your frame, etc.
It has proven to be very durable and doesn't look horrible either.
FTD |
Captainkirk
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 11:47 pm: |
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The cams I'm getting (Andrews N8's) are listing at around $270.00. They are available from many of the Badweb sponsors as well as from Andrews direct. Visit their website for specs and pricing info. I'm going through the same crap as you WRT the rocker box covers but I'm trying to hold off until I get the cams and do it all in one shot. The RBC leaks are not severe, just annoying at this point. My sockets won't be in until next Wed. I'll post and let you know how much and what the P/N is. |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Saturday, June 05, 2004 - 05:23 pm: |
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OK - I go to take a ride on the Black - shift into first N light disapears, and nothing, same thing trying 2nd - So what do I have to pull - the primary side cover & ?, to get to the Detent Plate?
GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
Blasterd
| | Posted on Saturday, June 05, 2004 - 11:12 pm: |
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Ezblast,
Although I never had to pull the primary on my Blast when I had it, the primary cover for my M2 is laying on the floor of my shop as we speak. After I pulled the cover, I had to remove the adjusting screw, clutch basket, primary chain to get to the detent plate. Should be at least similiar on your Blast. Hope this helps.
Ken |
Rockbiter1
| | Posted on Saturday, June 05, 2004 - 11:49 pm: |
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EzBlast
According to the Magic Manual of Doom, pull the primary cover, pull the primary chain, pull the clutch, and then its just a single C-clip  |
Captainkirk
| | Posted on Monday, June 07, 2004 - 12:07 am: |
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Can't say for sure but should be similar to what I just went through. First, get the shop manual. Second, drain and pull the primary cover. After that just follow the book. Post any questions you have here and I'll try to walk you through them. |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Monday, June 07, 2004 - 01:37 am: |
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Is the seal the brass collar in the cover? - I'd hold the clutch in, shift, hear the usual click, release and nothing, N light goes out but no engagement. Have primary cover off picking up tools tommorow to pull /basket/chain/sprocket assembly off and have a better look - any idea on things I should be looking for that would be wrong?
GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Monday, June 07, 2004 - 10:27 am: |
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The brass collar in the cover is a different seal then the crank seal, I think its the shifter shaft seal.. I have had my primary off maybe 10 times, and replaced that seal only once... and even then it was not because I needed to, but because I was just paranoid. |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Monday, June 07, 2004 - 08:39 pm: |
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Thanks guys - funny thing happens - I buy beg and borrow the tools to get deeper into it and I take a good look at my bike and notice something different - lol - my belts missing - so this weekend I'll button her back up and apply belt - lol - so while I'm in there any thing else I should look for before hand?
Damn - I inspect that thing all the time, because I don't run the guard and still I got suprised - lol - thanks guys - its always the things you don't expect - lol
GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
Captainkirk
| | Posted on Monday, June 07, 2004 - 11:28 pm: |
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You're not the first guy to kick his own leg out from under him! LOL |
Blasterd
| | Posted on Monday, June 07, 2004 - 11:45 pm: |
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Ezblast  !
Could've been worse, something could have been actually wrong with the bike.
Happens to the best of us.
Ken |
Rockbiter1
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 11:45 am: |
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I've done that!
I took off one day, hit second gear, and nothing happens...bike runs, tranny *feels* like its shifting, but no go! Push the bike home, call a big-bad-biker buddy of mine to help troubleshoot the tranny. He comes over, hopps on the bike, trys the tranny, pushes the bike back and forth a bit, looks puzzled, then reaches back to touch the drive belt....only there is no belt there...
After he finishes laughing at me, we go look for the belt (a couple hundred feet from the house) and someone must have picked it up, couldn't find it...so the dealer doesn't want to cover the belt under warrenty...i got lucky, and they eventually did... but it was a hell of a hassle |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 01:36 pm: |
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Yeah - today - I'l be cleaning the primary cover gasket area, in prep for putting it back together - which way does that shiftershaft seal go on - the other must have come off when I pulled the cover off - thats why I couldn't find it - or relate to it - so the last thing I'll do is adjust the clutch cable, before that adj. the primary chain, before that attach ballramp assembly, before that button up cover - right? Thanks guys - any other reassembly tips?
GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 07:15 pm: |
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The shifter shaft oil seal - where does it go? Which way does it face?
GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
Ralphthe3rd
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 07:21 pm: |
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EZ- you crack me up...you WEREN'T Joking on my Group ! 
P.S.- to EZ, why do My Group members HAVE to reply to any Techie questions ? I never intended MY Group to be so technical- coz that gets real boring- FAST ! And it's kinda funny ya know, if the Buells were better built, and didn't keep breaking down, there wouldn't be such a NEED for these Techie discussions !?
I'm tired of repairing, I just wanna ride !  http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Buells-Blast/
edited by Ralphthe3rd on June 09, 2004 |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 08:21 pm: |
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Also note Ralph that I did receive answers here, and useful info as well, while the group has been silent.
On to the question - since my primary wasn't leaking before I did this, I must try to assume that the shift shaft seal was there and came off pulling the cover - since the manual is vague on this - where does the seal sit - on the shaft or cover and where? Also seal's lips should face in or out towards cover? - again not covered in manual - also to put it on the shaft - tape splines and use 1/4 piece of PVC - Sch 40? - and do I press it all the way to the end or just past the splines - or does it fit into the cover side? - and faces which way? - just don't want to create any new screw ups buttoning her back up - lol - thanks for all your help so far guys!
Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 02:39 am: |
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Maybe a part number will help - 37101-84 - where does it go, how do I put it on and which way does it face - I have it and the gasket - help please -
GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 09:20 am: |
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on tuber twins, the seal fits into the hole through which the shifter shaft passes . . . the latest seal (again, for twins), has a smooth face and a face with a groove on it (sorry for the description, but the bike's in the parking lot at work, but I ain't gonna drop the primary cover right now) -- if you inspect the seal with Eyeball, Mk 1, the selaing lip is pretty easily seen . . .the smoot side whould be facing outward, that is, visible when installed . . .
press it in as far as it will go without smashing the poor dear . . . .it silps in easily . . . I've never taped the splines, and had good luck in the past, just take it easy when slipping it past the splines on the shaft . . . . |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 01:22 pm: |
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Ahhh - so it is in the cover! - now I'm getting somewhere, it is the same part for the Blast also, so I put the cover on first then put the seal on, or do I put the seal on the cover then put the cover on? Also - do I put it on from the cover's front or inside? Thanks Bomber - I was getting worried there for a bit.
GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 01:41 pm: |
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Bomber's reply in the KV:
it lives in the primary cover . . . there's a hole in the cover the shift shaft (doen't say that five times fast) passes through . . . .. I answered this on the other thread you posted it on (I fergit which one) . . . smooth side out, install before you install the primary cover . . . .use a socket as a driver, but don't wail on the little thing . . . . . . just seat it lightly in the hole
My reply:
Cool! Thanks Bomber - I owe you a few beers! If your ever in SF just let me know! You can ignore the quick board thread since you answered my final questions here! Thanks! I'll be able to wrap this up and put on a belt and go ride!
GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
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