| Author | Message | ||
     Moxnix |
Our arch-druid of intellectual snobbery, Bill Moyers on PBS, was press secretary for President Lynden Johnson, was the guy who kept all the files on his boss' enemies. Just ask him. And got wealthy doing PBS programs through his own production company that operates by getting public and corporate donations through the PBS shell, yet he & family keep the rights to sell the videos. It's how the system works, part 129. Another aging political hack defecating through his teeth on the public dime. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I think this is going to bite Obama badly. Wonder how many people he'll have to "have a beer with" to fix this. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
wheres the ACLU on this one ? .... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Oddly silent. Strange. (Not really.  ) | ||
| P_squared |
There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.  | ||
| Reindog |
Peggy Noonan has a great oped piece in the WSJ: http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html Excerpt from "You are Terrifying Us"-- What has been most unsettling is not the congressmen’s surprise but a hard new tone that emerged this week. The leftosphere and the liberal commentariat charged that the town hall meetings weren’t authentic, the crowds were ginned up by insurance companies, lobbyists and the Republican National Committee. But you can’t get people to leave their homes and go to a meeting with a congressman (of all people) unless they are engaged to the point of passion. And what tends to agitate people most is the idea of loss—loss of money hard earned, loss of autonomy, loss of the few things that work in a great sweeping away of those that don’t. People are not automatons. They show up only if they care. What the town-hall meetings represent is a feeling of rebellion, an uprising against change they do not believe in. And the Democratic response has been stunningly crude and aggressive. It has been to attack. Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the United States House of Representatives, accused the people at the meetings of “carrying swastikas and symbols like that.” (Apparently one protester held a hand-lettered sign with a “no” slash over a swastika.) But they are not Nazis, they’re Americans. Some of them looked like they’d actually spent some time fighting Nazis. Then came the Democratic Party charge that the people at the meetings were suspiciously well-dressed, in jackets and ties from Brooks Brothers. They must be Republican rent-a-mobs. Sen. Barbara Boxer said on MSNBC’s “Hardball” that people are “storming these town hall meetings,” that they were “well dressed”, that “this is all organized,” “all planned,” to “hurt our president.” Here she was projecting. For normal people, it’s not all about Barack Obama. | ||
| Sifo |
I've been wondering about the swastika comment by Pelosi. These days someone always has a camera on hand and this would be a picture that would make news... Right winger protesters wearing swastikas! Sounded "fishy" to me first time I heard it. Do I have to report Pelosi to flag@whitehouse.gov now? I may show up at a meeting wearing nothing but my boxers so that Boxer can't complain about how I'm dressed. Revolution is on the horizon if our representatives wont listen to the people. | ||
| Slaughter |
Wonder if we ALL "reported" ourselves and EVERY LITTLE THING that MIGHT be construed by the truly paranoid leftist elite as Anti-Obamacare? Could be fun. | ||
| Reindog |
I reported Slaughter to flag at whitehouse dot gov. | ||
| P_squared |
An important line was crossed last night. Violence in American politics isn't anything new. Union violence isn't anything new. Union violence in American politics isn't anything new. What is new is violence against ordinary protesting citizens carried out by union thugs EXPLICITLY CALLED OUT BY and CONDONED by the governing political party and the President of the United States. There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov. So let’s recap on this 1 issue: 1. POTUS is on record as publicly stating he wants a single payer system, but now denies it. 2. It’s requested you snitch on your friends, families & co-workers to the White House. 3. Folks exercising their 1st Amendment RIGHT are labeled as “Mobs”, “Nazi’s”, etc., etc. by the Administration, Speaker of the House, etc., etc. 4. Elected Servants (aka Pols) are publicly & actively enlisting the AFL-CIO & SEIU to provide them “cover” and to counter the VERY angry constituents at their Town Hall meetings. 5. The Administration is actively behind what is contained in that video. I have a feeling 2010 is going to be a VERY bad year for the Dems. I also have a feeling that we’re getting VERY close to a point of no return in this nation, where outright revolt is not far from happening. Interesting times. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I still dont understand how you can have nationalized healthcare, based on citizenship when the guy behind the desk has his very own citizen ship up in question. Wanna see some angst? Tune into the 'birthers' arguement that the guy shouldnt even be in the Whitehouse cause he aint a US born citizen. Pelosi can twitter that Bi@tch | ||
| Indybuell |
Wow... If Bush would have EVER done this, they would be calling for his head. Wouldn't this be a violation of the Privacy Act? | ||
| Sifo |
Speaking of BO's birth certificate I understand that they are trying to get this authenticated in a US district court.  | ||
| Sifo |
BO is feel quite emboldened. So much for any pretense of bi-partisanship.
I'm guessing he's not talking about Barney Frank. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Nice to see the SEIU goons out nightsticking the "colored folk". Purple shirts Brown shirts I see a pattern | ||
| Sifo |
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| Reepicheep |
Excellent suggestion. Lets start with Social Security, then welfare. Two big government run programs that make Bernie Madoff look like a paragon of financial integrity. | ||
| Kyrocket |
His mother's name was Stanley? They don't allow that kind of thing now, I know they didn't back then. At first I though it was a last name first kinda thing then looked at his father's name. BTW I'm kidding, don't want to open up some crazy three page rant on faked papers or gay marriage. | ||
| Sifo |
Stanley is in fact the correct name for the mother. I don't see that as proof that the document is real, but it would be very simple to release the real birth certificate from HI if one exists. So much for BO's transparency in government. If he's legit just release the damn thing. If he's not legit I have no idea what happens from there. It seems clear that BO does not care one bit about the concerns of those that don't agree with him. That attitude will cause grave damage to our country. | ||
| Hmartin |
Last question to Obama in the attached letter: "Do your own past statements qualify as 'disinformation'? For example, is it 'disinformation' to note that in 2003 you said: 'I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care plan'?" http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Obama_Monito ring_Program%20_090805.pdf Way to go, John Cornyn! White House response: "...nobody is collecting names", although by law, ALL correspondence with the White House is saved in the National Archives. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/no body-is-collecting-names-white-house-responds-to-c harge-its-monitoring-speech-of-health-care-refor.h tml | ||
| Sifo |
Nope! Not collecting names! Just saving names for the archives! | ||
| Edgydrifter |
Seriously... The Gov of HI is an R, and even he says the supposedly inadequate cert that's already been released is the real deal and proof enough that BO is a US citizen born on our soil. As for this "long form" nonsense... I'm from Bell County, TX, and the only birth certificate I ever got was a dinky thing that is no longer or more detailed than what I've seen for BO. Well, mine does have the name of the attending physician, but I can't see any other significant difference. I guess that makes me Kenyan, too. Heck, I bet most of us BadWebbers aren't even natural-born citizens at all, using the criteria that the "birthers" are proposing. | ||
| Deadduck |
 Sorry couldn't help myself, still another un-answered question. See yall on the backfire board after this one. | ||
| Sifo |
The biggest problem I have with the birth certificate thing... Alright it's 2 problems. 1) Why not release the long form. 2) His own grandmother remembers him being born in Kenya. There's plenty of other issues revolving around this, but most grandparents remember their grandchildren being born fairly clearly. It should be easy to put to rest though by releasing the long form. Instead BO has spent over $900,000 in court to not release it. And somehow someone thinks this guy is going to spend wisely in your health care? | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Obama's birth certificate is irrelevant. He is not eligible to be President because his father was not a citizen of the United States. The Constitution states: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. One might think the above implies that a citizen is eligible. However, that is not true. The citizenship clause only applied to those that were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. This was required because there were no natural born citizens eligible to be President because of the young age of the country. A "natural born" citizen is not the same as a mere citizen. The term comes from The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law Applied to the Conduct and to the Affairs of Nations and of Sovereigns written by Emer (Emerich or Emmerich) de Vattel (April 25, 1714 - December 28, 1767) who was a Swiss philosopher, diplomat, and legal expert who made significant contributions to the basis of modern international law and political philosophy. (Wiki) § 212. Citizens and natives. The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. I am continually amazed at the level of ignorance of our elected officials when it comes to the Constitution. The general public can be excused, to some degree but our officials should know better. If we aren't going to follow the Constitution, we are going to lose our way as a nation. http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/03/18 /two-minute-warning-vattel-decoded/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama | ||
| Sifo |
Under current law illegal aliens who have a child on US soil have a child that is a natural born citizen. I disagree with that law, but that's how it is. So BO's place of birth is significant. To me there is enough doubt that can be cleared up so easily that there is no reason to not just clear it up. Spending $900,000 to keep it in doubt is just insanity... Unless there's something to hide. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
They have a child that is a CITIZEN. Their child is not a natural born citizen. My Lord, if people can't understand there is a difference between the two we are in deep do-do. Just because some politicians and judges, who believe in a "living" Constitution, have redefined terms to suit their agenda doesn't mean they ain't WRONG. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
This reminds me of the Second Amendment debate and those on the left that would have us believe the Constitution doesn't mean what it says. The best proof I can think of to oppose their lies is if citizens don't have a right to bear arms then why in the hell have we been allowed to keep them for 200 plus years. Wouldn't it stand to reason if citizens were prohibited from owning firearms the government would have confiscated them loooooong ago...duh !!! | ||
| Sifo |
Natural Born was not defined by the constitution. The exact meaning can certainly be debated. It can even be changed by legislation, or court decision. You pretty much have to go by what was accepted at the time of BO's birth though. Anything else is really going to be a waste of time. The second amendment argument is simply anti-gun folks that deny what is clearly spelled out. | ||
| Edgydrifter |
Ferris: Trouble is, De Vattel wasn't the only one writing about about sovereignty and citizenship during that period, and the framers of the Constitution didn't reference him or his definition in the document. I'm sure many of them were aware of his work, but that doesn't mean they agreed with or adopted his terminology. We as a nation like to seat textualists on the SCOTUS, so it isn't surprising that since the adoption of the 14th Amendment the justices have punted on the whole definition of a "natural born" citizen, and deferred instead to the citizenship clause of the 14th. If you're born here you're a citizen, no matter who your parents are. It's interesting that we would have had a "birther" controversy/conspiracy no matter which candidate had won (I'm only considering the two viable candidates here, not the no-name marginal-party longshots). By some accounts, McCain was born in the city of Colon, not on a US military base in the canal zone, potentially making him a naturalized but not natural-born citizen. |
