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     Redbuelljunkie |
I think "Bourbon Burner" would be more appropriate in comparison to a "Rice Burner". | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Glitch |
Wheat Rocket? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
Words have meaning. Scott stated the following: "I just don't understand how people can lambaste amazing and beautiful engineering on the Japanese machines, unless they are only looking at spec sheets and fairings." lambaste verb Firstly, Scott's complaint was that people "lambaste" specifically the "engineering on Japanese machines." I've never been witness to that. Secondly, I sure don't see any use of the terms "ricer" or "rice burner" as excoriating or berating. When I rode a Yamaha, I referred to it as such. You got something against rice? Am I lambasting my Buells when I refer to them as "tractor bikes"? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Bill0351 |
"I rode an '03 GSXR1000 a while ago" Great bike I have an '04 GSX-R1000. I'm not sure what "ruthless engineering" really means, but you would have to be pretty f*****g ruthless to design and build a beast like that rice rocket sitting out in my garage. On the other hand, whoever designed and built the Cyclone parked next to it was an artist. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Greenlantern |
Wheat Rocket? I was thinking Mall Missile! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Bott |
not much use in basting a live lamb.Better to kill it and baste it while cooking. Therefore, lambasting could certainly be offensive to sheep.  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Spatten1 |
Lemonchili_x1: I just ran out and took a couple of cell phone pics. It's ugly, but works very, very well. I'm going to put on a ZX10 tail section a buddy gave me this winter when I get time.   | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Now that's a true streetfighter! Very cool. It has a plate!? Can you actually get away with riding it like that!?  I'll have to dig out pics of my old gixxer. I've been meaning to go through and scan pics of all my previous bikes... some scary photo's... Back to the original thread... Is BMW planning on racing the S1000RR in AMA Superbike? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
WSBK Event Placing per Race
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| Buellinachinashop |
For a newbie, they got a fair share of top 10's. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 2kx1 |
Top 10's are what they were looking for. BMW wasn't expecting to win this year. Next year they have said they will kick ass. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
Top tens are what they were looking for? Then they failed in 25 out of 37 tries. A full-on balls to the wall factory race team with a multi World Championship rider looking to finish in the top ten? If that is true, then they need some new management. Their top tens (twelve out of 37 starts) constitute a minority of the results. The number of DNFs is high and they suffered seven races in a row out of the top ten. Each rider's average finish, when they finished, is 13th place. Not what any full bore factory race team manager could ever spin as a good result. The recent singular top five, albeit thanks to Fabrizio taking himself out along with Ben Spies in that race, is hopefully a sign of better things to come. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Jaimec |
I think Aprilia's remarkable "first year" is overshadowing the fact that what BMW is experiencing is "expected" from a first time effort. Unlike in the States, BMW doesn't have the advantage of a governing body modifying the rules for them as the season goes along... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 2kx1 |
BMW stated this would be a learning season for them. Next year they want to win. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
>>>>Next year they want to win. C'mon . . . . I've never known anyone who was a serious competitor who wanted to "learn this year and win next year". If Danny Eslick had that record, in this years DSB, folks would be drumming Buell out of racing all together . . . | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
BMW is learning all right. They're learning how difficult it is to be competitive in major motorcycle road racing. "Unlike in the States, BMW doesn't have the advantage of a governing body modifying the rules for them as the season goes along..." See now you are going to look really foolish, on account of you are dead wrong. BMW are being permitted to race based on a bike that had never been offered for sale let alone seen a showroom or been on the street. They absolutely were given special dispensation and a waiver of the rules to allow them to compete from the start of the season. Try again. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Badlionsfan |
Really Jamiec???? How has adding weight to the Buells and taken weight away from the 600's Helped the buells during the season. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ft_bstrd |
Evidently those 200 employees at Buell are multi-millionaires with enough cash to grease the palms of all those DSG folks.  Poor downtrodden Honda. Poor Suzuki. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 2kx1 |
I thought WSBK rules were 250 bikes before the start of the season and 1000 before mid year for a new bike. They have been in production since February. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Buellinachinashop |
"BMW are being permitted to race based on a bike that had never been offered for sale let alone seen a showroom or been on the street. They absolutely were given special dispensation and a waiver of the rules to allow them to compete from the start of the season. " Sorta sounds like the same thing Buell got away with, with the RR in the AMA. All this yapping about how crappy BMW is doing this season means nothing until Buell crawls out of the AMA and competes on the same playing field as BMW. I think its a ballsy move for them to attempt to compete with the big boys. Let's see some of that from Buell. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 2kx1 |
BMW wasn't given any special consideration because they abided by the rules. Before the season started they had stated their plans. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
The rules don't say anything about "stating plans" LOL! "Sorta sounds like the same thing Buell got away with, with the RR in the AMA." Only to the very ignorant. Buell has been selling 1125R's for some time now. That is the bike upon which the racing Superbike is based, and which was stated by AMA Pro Racing as the reason the Buell, 1125R based superbike, aka the 1125RR was accepted. If you were referring to the XBRR, that was based upon the XB12R and the engine modified according to the rules (unlimited modification allowed for air-cooled pushrod twins). Why does criticism of a MAJOR factory racing effort hold no water unless Buell is also contesting the series? LOL! That's just pure baloney. LOL. I'm kinda routing for BMW. Well actually not so much. I guess I perceive them as arrogant and it seems fitting to me that they struggle while Aprilia is already winning races. Since when has BMW not been one of "the big boys" in motorsport? They've been in F1 for years, raced the Dakar for years and won it a number of times, been around for a LONGGGG time and are a HUGE corporation. You wanting to hold the 200 folks at Buell up to that same stature in the world of motorsports? LOL! You really have it out for the Buell folks. What's cool is that they likely won't disappoint. Incredible stuff going on with Buell Racing these days. It's funny how the goal posts of the naysayers keep moving. Anytime Buell Racing scores progress, it gets discounted on account of they need to "crawl out from..." and compete with the "big boys"... whatever. Last I looked, the Suzuki and Yamaha factories were among the biggest of boys in motorcycle racing. Danny Eslick and RMR are doing a fine job of competing with them too. Next stop, AMA Superbike!  Go Buell Racing! (Message edited by blake on August 02, 2009) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Buellinachinashop |
"Why does criticism of a MAJOR factory racing effort hold no water unless Buell is also contesting the series? LOL! That's just pure baloney. LOL. " Buell isn't even racing WSB and you're going on and on about how great Buell is and how BMW's effort basically sucks? That's baloney if I've ever seen it. Its like a guy down in AAA saying how his competition on the MLB team sucks. I like Buell and hope they race WSB, but to critisize another MFG for trying something Buell doesn't have the balls to, is sorta sad really. (Message edited by Buellinachinashop on August 02, 2009) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Buellinachinashop |
"For a motorcycle/minicycle to be approved, the manufacturer must apply to the AMA, register the machine’s specifications, provide photographs and prove that 100 identical, completed machines of the same model are available for sale to the general public at multiple dealer showrooms throughout all six AMA regions. AMA staff will verify production requirements." There's nothing in these rules that say.."a similar bike to an RR model is ok" The rules are spelt out pretty well by the AMA and the 1125RR is not a production bike available to the general public." I don't blame the AMA for bending rules for Buell. They're an American company breaking through into some tough, experienced competition. But they have to realize that once the regs are bent for Buell, they've gotta be bent for everybody. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dbird29 |
Chinashop read this article with the head guy from AMA. Right from the horses mouth and proves your line of reasoning is wrong. www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=3751 0 Excerpt: RW: It does seem that allowing in this bike as a completely different, race-only model designation that it bends, at best, and at worst breaks the wording of the homologation rule, and more than the wording the spirit of the rule, saying it must be a “street certified” model. Do you think it might have been better if a month ago you reworded the rule before approving this bike? RE: Yeah, probably so. The end result would have been exactly the same, but those who are easily offended would have had something else to argue about instead. This is a non-factor at the end of the day. We need this sport to grow. We need manufacturers who can afford to support it. We need to stop relying on the same four Japanese companies for everything we want out of this sport. Everybody’s robbing that same train, and we have to have a much broader base of support. Yes, perhaps we should have taken a different approach to it, but we didn’t. And I’m still comfortable that the 1125RR is nothing more than a homologated model. It’s still the same motorcycle with the frame, swingarm, cases and heads with a race kit factory-installed and raced by the factory and available to everyone who wants to ante up and buy one. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
"to critisize another MFG for trying something Buell doesn't have the balls to, is sorta sad really." There you go again, stuck on stupid. First, my inclination to criticize BMW depends absolutely ZERO on anything to do with any other factory anywhere. It is a very queer contention to think otherwise. BMW has not met their goals in WSBK this season. Buell is meeting and exceeding their goals in AMA Pro Racing this season. Advantage Buell! I'm sorry that gets your shorts in a bunch; it's the truth. Good for Buell. Better luck next round BMW. Second, your pathetic ignorance is on full pitiful display yet again. Anyone who knows the folks at Buell Racing knows all too well that it isn't for any lack of "balls" that they have yet to progress to WSBK level racing. They are just getting started. Only a complete jackass would think to accuse them of lacking the fortitude and determination to go racing at the highest levels. It doesn't take "balls" to develop a world class Superbike racing machine. It takes a certain amount of genius, some time, LOTS of money, and lots of hard work. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
>>>There you go again, stuck on stupid. Big-time. If BALLS were part of the formula . . . Buell would own most the racing series. Period. "Balls" is barroom talk . . . . the dialogue of the spectator, not the doer or the participants. Folks who won't, can't or don't often cite "balls" . . whatever the hell that is in the real world . . . as their reason. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Jaimec |
I guess BMW should've entered the S1000RR in the 600 supersport series then... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
Probably not wise as they'd likely be having trouble there too and suffering even worse embarrassment. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
Must be an epidemic of getting stuck on stupid. Racing a high performance IL4 literbike against IL4 0.6L bikes is idiotic unless the 600's are allowed a fair amount of leeway and the literbike is hit with significant extra weight. You know, just like the how the rules in Daytona Sportbike work for the liter class twins versus the IL4's and the IL3's. Parity through tech rules forumulas. It's an old tried and true concept. What would you say to 1000cc racing machines being allowed to race in a 500cc class. It's been done. MotoGP. |
