| Author | Message | ||
     1atom12 |
I have a 2002 M2 with the race kit installed. The bike runs great but for my personal tastes is not quite loud enough. Is there another slip on muffler that will be louder than the race kit muffler, but won't cause performance to suffer? Or another way to put it is: Who makes the loudest slip on for my bike? For me, the louder the better, but I don't really want to sacrifice performance. Thanks! | ||
| Brianbuell |
Try D&D it's sound is awesome and shouldn't render your performance. Sounds somewhat a drag bike when you rev it up at idle it's deep and throaty. Some people like force but that’s a full system that wouldn’t do you any good since you have a race header. The website I deal with swore up and down a d&d pipe with a Buell race header was the way to go. Plus D&D is maintenance free, no repacking. I purchase mine off of ebay for less then 200. | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
I too was hoping the Buell Pro muffler (Supertrapp IDS) would be a bit louder. It is louder than stock, but not by much... Mike M | ||
| Blackbelt |
how many discs ya runnign, cause 21 discs it is pritty loud.. not a streight pipe loud, but loud enough to get me pulled over, and i only have 15 discs | ||
| Gearhead |
When I had my M2 I ran 18 discs in the SuperTrapp which gave great sound but didn't effect low end torque. Run the open end plate as well!! | ||
| 1atom12 |
Guys, Mine muffler is not a SuperTrapp. Mine is the Buell race kit from year 2002. I can see through the muffler, but it has packing all along the inside held in place by mesh. | ||
| 1atom12 |
I am also sure this muffler has not been repacked and it has 5000 or so miles on it. Will repacking it make it louder or quieter? Also, it seems you would have to drill out a bunch of rivets to get the end caps off, is this how you guys repack your mufflers? Why couldn't I fabricate a 2 1/2 inch straight pipe out of stainless the same length as the muffler that's there now? How would it affect performance? | ||
| Bads1 |
Adam what you have is the pro pipe and to be honest with ya its the best performing pipe out there for the tubers other then the Force pipe and there known for cracking.Your muffler will get louder but you might want to keep it packed or you could run into problems with the muffler. | ||
| Fatpony |
I've got a D&D on my X-1 and it's LOUDER than my Superglide with a Thunderheader. Had a guy on a Softail walk over and tell me he "didn't know Buells sounded so good". Have had the D&D for almost 2 yrs, no problems, built as good as stock pipe if not better. It HAS set off car alarms, but haven't had any problems with the law (soundwise at least). | ||
| Cyclonemick |
I have the Vance and Hines slip on and it is considerably louder than my buddy's D&D but I have about 30k on it so there probably is no packing left in it. But that's how I like it.  I've had alot of compliments on how it sounds but to each their own. | ||
| Awprior |
Correct me if I am wrong, but the Buell race kit includes a new header and a muffler that doesn't have the 90 degree elbow on it (the bend is on the header). At least that's the way it was with the X1 race kit I installed on a friend's bike. I believe every other slip on has the 90 degree bend to mate up with the stock header. I have the full D&D system on my 2000 M2, sounds great and added gobs of power. Alex | ||
| 1atom12 |
That sounds abut right. The front of my muffler doesn't have any bends in it, straight in from the 2 into 1 collector, so I guess I'm stuck with the sound I have, which isn't bad, I was just trying for obnoxious! | ||
| Awprior |
I'd bet if you take the muffler apart and tear out all of the packing it'll get a little bit louder and raspier. I wouldn't do it to mine, but it's an option. Alex | ||
| Hootowl |
There's nothing more satisfying than rolling through the parking garage in the morning listening to the cacophony of car alarms startled to life by the rumble of my D&D. | ||
| Bads1 |
If you take out the packing it will damage the silencer its self. | ||
| Kevyn |
Drill out the rivets with the smallest drill bit that will work, order a repacking kit from American Sport Bike, replace the rivets with ALUMINUM rivets and all will be well---better sound, increased performance! If memory serves me today, you should remove the exhaust end of the muffler... | ||
| Awprior |
Car alarms definitely love the D&D exhaust systems. I'm not sure what affect taking the packing out of the silencer would be, we gutted a friend's SS2R a while back and he ran it for quite a while like that and I don't think it affected the silencer at all. It's more or less a straight pipe then, except for the perforated center. It was louder, but the sound wasn't all that deep, mostly tinny. It would be interesting to see how different types of packing affected the sound of the race kit though. The packing is easy enough to replace, you might want to give the American Sport Bike stuff a shot, it's pretty cheap. Alex | ||
| Al_lighton |
The packing kit comes with a drill bit. Or it's is supposed to. There apparently were some that didn't include it, I hear. But just as a note for anyone ever doing it, DO NOT drill a pop rivet out with the "smallest" drill bit, as tempting as that looks. More often than not, if you try to drill out a pop rivet by drilling out the mandrill, you will get about 1/2-2/3 of the way thru the job and then the rivet will start spinning instead of the bit biting. Use a drill bit that is a good percentage of the size of the actual rivet head, but be careful not to go beyond the head. The old head will pop off, the rivet can be driven inward, and then retrieved after disassembly. But it might spin anyway. Drilling out a pop rivet isn't always as trivial as it looks like it should be. Al | ||
| Bomber |
if the head pops off (sounds painful) and the remainder spins, or even if the entire thing spins, you can often stop the spinning by: a gentle tap on the head with a centerpunch and light hammer if the head's gone, the same gentle tap in the center of the rivet body with the same center punch or small tapered drift will spread the body to the point that it won't spin any more . . . . like Al sez . . . .the easy stuff often take the longest | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Al, Do you have ceramic packing for the new style Supertrapp? I got a packing kit but it wasn't quite enough, the core rattles around a bit. I'd like to use more of the ceramic type to hold the core firmly and be done with it... Brad | ||
| Awprior |
I'd say that somewhere bulk packing would be available, so you could get any size you needed. Maybe that's something that Al might want to look into, go with the fabric store idea of selling by the foot or whatever. I've never repacked a pipe, my D&D is supposed to be good for life, but the pipes I've torn apart all looked like the same stuff, just with slightly different sizes. | ||
| 1atom12 |
Guys, What would a straight piece of 2 1/2 inch stainless the same size as my pro muffler do performance wise? Wonder what it would sound like...  | ||
| Kevyn |
on a drag strip or on the salt maybe...on the street yuk...don't do that, repack the muffler! ...you will attract unwanted and un-needed attention from LE types!! | ||
| Tripp |
yeah i ran my bike in my driveway once with just the header and no muffler and o boy talk about attracting the LE types, i could'nt believe how loud it was, my dog ran away! it was like a lions roar, you could hear it from miles away i'm sure!! | ||
| 1atom12 |
So how does the Harley crowd get away with straight pipes? There bikes seem very loud. Most of my Harley friends have straight pipes and have never been pulled over for being too loud... | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
Many of them don't, and in many cases the LE types just look the other way. Also the pitch of the exhaust can mean the difference. If the pitch is just right, a pipe that reads in the legal db range can sound louder then a higher pitched pipe that is really outside the legal db range. Alot of the really loud HD pipes are actually legal, but sound incredibly loud, part of that also is that you can feel the pulses aside from just hearing them cause the pitch is so low. Think about when you go past a car with a touchy alarm on your Buell, it sets it off, yet a kid on a race rep with a race pipe rips by it and the car alarm doesn't even notice. | ||
| Shooter |
hey 1atom12, if you are determined to get rid of that race muffler, maybe we can work out a deal. | ||
| 1atom12 |
What do you have in mind Mike? | ||
| Dyna |
Wycked is right about the cops just looking the other way. A lot of cops have a hard on to bust sportbikes, but the HD's have a get out of jail free card attached to them. Plus its easy to ride with Drag pipes & not get busted, just short shift around town. The only time they get real loud is when you are hammering the throttle. Take it ez & its not problem to motor past any cop. | ||
| Cyclonemick |
One time I was riding with some guys I met which all rode Crotch rockets and had alot of questions about my bike and how fast it was. So on one strip in town I decided to really hammer the throttle and show them what torque was really about and as I was passing the group engine roaring I looked over and seen a city cop. I though for sure I was busted but the cop just waived? I couldn't believe it. Later on that night I stopped at the gas station before heading home and a black and white police car pulled up. He started walking up to me and for sure I thought for sure he was going to give me a hard time. But the first words out of his mouth was "Man that bike sounds good" I was completely relieved! He told me he rode a Harley and always like the look and sound of the buells. And then he told me he was the one who waived at me on 25th street. Although I wasn't really racing the rockets, He said it was nice to see a Buell pass a bunch of punk kids. I guess the whole Harley thing helped me out that time. | ||
| Slowby |
the kooks is loud and may bolt on with adapter. they have their own header |
