| Author | Message | ||
     Bads1 |
Damn I know CJ,Dyna and now Doughnut personally and this is getting good.Anyone else from the Wisconsin gonna chime in on this one???? | ||
| Dullorb |
Perhaps it's his way of acknowledging that it was out of line. Hell, if Dyna and I both agree that someone is out of line there's no hope that any reasonable person will think it was acceptable. Back to Yates. Just because there's something worse doesn't mean the lesser item should be ignored. Consider if a 14yr old kid were knocked down and killed. Should we ignore that incident if, somewhere else, 200 people are killed? So just as I can't use someone else's murder of 9 family members in California as an excuse for my shoplifting a roll of Lifesaver candies from the local drug store, Yates can't use the Madrid bombings as an excuse to be a violent asshole. | ||
| Bads1 |
Alright now we can resort to name calling.Now we sound intelligent. | ||
| Court |
I am crushed to have not been included in the esteemed group above. My spirits, however, are bouyed by knowing that someone has time to "count" perceived and actual personal insults. I'm willing to bet there is an associated set of metrics to provide statistical guidance. I can see a daily report like "34 insults - 22 warranted - 7 emotional; due to insuling nature of prior post....." etc. Lord knows I wish I had someone to track mine! I, for expediancy, have alreday logged the one that will be posted in reponse to this post. Not unlike the boy who cried wolf, I am among that group that has choosen to ride thier motorcycles and ignore senseless whining. The entertainment value can't be denied but I refuse to yield any of the real estate of time in my life to such negative pursuits. When everyone and everything else is wrong, tis time for a bit of personal introspection. Court | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
The Incident In Question was on Motors TV ,a sattelite/cable channel in French & English here. If I hadn't known about the dropkick incident I wouldn't have spotted it as it was behind the barrier on the first shot & cut on the replay, the head-butt was shown though. The commentators said that Fania's place was to hold his line & let whoever wanted to pass find their own way round, which sounded reasonable to me. By the way M2me, I'm with you. Roll on opening day. Go Card's  | ||
| Doncasto |
Note: This topic has attracted the close scrutiny of the board moderators as it has degraded into an series infantile insults and counter insults. Posts have been removed by moderators in a consensus opinion that individuals posting to this topic were not following either the BWB posting guidelines or the prudent and considerate actions of adult web users. This is not a public board in the sense that the content of this board monitored by and will when necessary be edited by board monitors. Freedom of speech is not applicable when board members chose to violate BWB posting policies - I would seriously suggest that everyone that has participated in the pablum pissing contest consider that participation here is a privilege, not a right. Don Casto Board Moderator | ||
| Captpete |
Sometimes, I become concerned about myself when I discover that I have been crawling through the muck and the ooze, when I have so little time left with which to do so much. But I feel better now, for I am reminded that occasionally, there is that little pearl to be found there. | ||
| Seeeu911 |
bad web censorship at its most boring... I used to rail at DonCastro and Court and Blake, but even in their vain attempts to make us all homogenized they are still likeable guys, good men in fact and i've come to respect them more as the years and miles in buell world go by. Even so the misguided police state attempts to make the club house bland are IMHO misguided. I've made a lot worst posts, some anon. and some just stupid but I cant remember ever being deleted before.  Rocketpecker..I think you hit a home run pal.  | ||
| Seeeu911 |
I got your " "the prudent and considerate actions of adult web users right here  | ||
| Doncasto |
Donn: Neither Blake or Court had any direct part in removing posts from this topic. If you would like to discuss the matter with me offline, please do so. Don Casto | ||
| Bomber |
my goodness . . . . . I gotta start loggin on during the weekends . . . .. I missed all the fun! | ||
| Seeeu911 |
Thank you Doncastro...no animus here, just a friendly SACBORG salute to make your day. Rocketperp has been over the edge lately, what he really needs is a group hug and his Buell to ride. "Posts have been removed by moderators in a consensus opinion ... " | ||
| Dullorb |
Much ado about nothing. Rocket made a hurried post in which he made a tasteless joke. It was innocent enough, if inappropriate, but was compounded by his accidentaly posting as anon. So instead of looking like a tastless joke by Rocket it appeared to some like an anonymous personal attack on CJ. You can imagine the reaction of some of the ahem gentlemen who know her... You can then imagine Rocket's reaction... All that now survives is the first line in my post of March 14, 2004 - 09:55 pm.  Probably because the post is mainly concerned with the thread's subject. Namely, Yates f*cked up. Yates is unrepentant about f*cking up. Yates needs someone to smack some sense into him and the best way to do it is get him out of the race before his unacceptable behavior becomes contagious and motorcycle racing is replaced by Ed McMahon's World Wide Motorcycle Racing Smackdown. I can see the track now, laced with patches of asphalt painted to resemble oil slicks and strategically placed pyrotechnics to add to the drama of a motorcyclist going down and hitting the wall. At the starting line riders are given there choice of pipes to throw into eachother's wheels and smack eachother with. And the inevitable between race dramas where the camera follows the racers 'behind the scenes' and give expostion to the rivalries. Then during ratings season the WWE/WWMR crossover where violent alliances are forged and destroyed as the conflict spills beyond the boundaries of their sports. Kurt Engle and Anthony Fania Jr. takes on Rowdy Rodder Yates and Brock Lesner in the first crossover title match of the millenium. I can hear the roar of the crowd and the anthem as Fania marches out to the track/ring hybrid where the matches are held. | ||
| S320002 |
Dang it! (Hope we can still say things like that on this board without getting spanked.) Thats what I get for missing a couple of days. Not only do some posts and any replies get shredded but I miss them completely. Wonder what else was said. Maybe someone was afraid we would attract the attention of the FCC. Instant replay anyone? Oh well things have gotten kind of boring around here anyway. Seems like every time someone tries to start a race thread it turns into a squabble between JQ and Blake. Then someone tries to tell us that some polishing compound on a cotton wheel is going to cause heat damage to an aluminum frame. Somebody musta gone and invented flame proof cotton while I wasn't looking! Maybe boring wasn't the right word . Childish? Cliquish? Condescending? Controlling? Constrained? Confrontational conformists? Conclave of conceits? I guess I should quit with the C words or I might get censored. And Don, I've always thought you were okay but what the hell is with the Mother Hen act? Maybe it's a good thing I missed a couple of days. It must have been really ugly around here. Greg | ||
| Seeeu911 |
Hey Greg hows life, I will ping you off line I have a metal logjam you may be able to clear up about AMPS analog celluar modulated frequency and gps. I'm too poor to pay a consultant... And Don, I've always thought you were okay but what the hell is with the Mother Hen act? I just think that Sean is being besieged at all turns and as a friend he should get rapped on the knuckles yes but also lets do some easing up on the lad. He is one of us. | ||
| Ferris |
Greg, the "mother hen" act is an attempt by the moderators to prevent what we see as the erosion of the value of this board to Buell enthusiasts. there is, of course, zero chance that everyone of BADWEB's participants could ever totally agree on what constitutes "erosion" in this case, which then leaves two options: 1) we let EVERYTHING go, good, bad, or ugly. i submit that there are other sites out there where this is standard practice, for those who cannot tolerate moderation in any form. or 2) we, as the moderators, can attempt to enforce what are really common sense guidelines in terms of "netiquette". the comment that was directed at CJ was way out of line for BADWEB, and is not rationally arguable to the contrary. it would seem that some of our participants feel that one cannot disagree with Blake or the other moderators on any subject for fear of being "deleted". this is blantantly not true, to the point of being silly even having to discuss it here. Greg, i would ask you: should we simply just step back and let EVERYTHING go, regardless of how vulgar? i think not, and i think most would agree. and if you agree, where does one draw the line? it's a difficult question, and a fair amount of discussion goes on behind the scenes addressing this issue. this site is intended as a Buell enthusiast's forum. it's pretty simple, actually. ok, i challenge anyone who wants to call me or another moderator an asshole (or flip us the bird) for trying to keep this place pointed the right direction to tell us WHY. just saying that we ARE isn't enough, as that's so simple even a child could do it. you wanna show you've got something between your ears then tell us WHY we're wrong in our attempts to keep BADWEB from becoming like so many other "enthusiast" sites out there. FB ps: it'd go a long ways toward decreasing the amount of bickering that takes place if the snide little insults and hurtful jabs that get tossed about would stop before the thought transfers from our fingers to our keyboards. if you wanna call that being bland, or politically correct, well, that's ok by me. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Donn, Greg & Dull, A lot of sense in what you say, I just wish that I had been able to put it so well. Cool heads everyone. | ||
| M2me |
I don't have a problem with this board being moderated and the moderaters deleting posts if necessary. A couple of things bother me about this deletion though. First, the insulting post from Rocketman/Anonymous that seemed to start the whole thing is still there in the archives. It wasn't deleted. Second, my post which was mostly about how the only pro sport I like is baseball was deleted. Maybe it was just an oversight or maybe there is some technical reason why archived posts can't be deleted. But come on, baseball? What's next, mom and apple pie? The smiley face says I'm not being 100% serious. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Hey John , my baseball post wasn't deleted, does this mean you're being victimized? or that no-one gives a toss about my posts?  come on you redbirds | ||
| Slaughter |
Ferris I for one appreciate the tone that a moderated board has - BADWEB in particular. I don't go to somebody's house, shit on their living room carpet and then scream they are suppressing my first amendment rights when they ask me to leave. I'm a little dismayed that such juvenile shit is spilled on the floor here and then it seems that some are miffed that others would DARE take exception to it. | ||
| M2me |
Grumpy, yeah I noticed that yours wasn't deleted. That's why I was kind of wondering why mine was. I feel victimzed! No, it's not that big of a deal. They can never stop baseball fans!  | ||
| Lee |
Ok, I'm chiming in here. What the hell everyone else is. I'm a wallflower, the guy that just usually sits and listens but posts when he needs something. I'm one of the originals. This board started with Blake and me and a few others hitting "reply to all" back in '98. Then Blake had the brilliant idea to start the site. One thing that has always baffled me...whether here or there. I can't help but think that if we were all in the same room looking at each other that we would say the things we do. What is it about the internet that turns everyone into 6'8" 325 lbs. badasses? I think Elton John is right...this place would be a bit boring without types like that. Rocket, thanks for the humor, I get it. | ||
| Ferris |
so Lee, you vote that anything goes? | ||
| S320002 |
Jerry/Ferris, Did one of the C words strike a nerve? I have never called anyone here a rectum although I have been called one by the board host. Like I said I missed a few days so I don't know the whole story. I'm sure Don thought he was doing the right thing. Since a good number of posts have been shredded its hard to form an opinion other than the obvious one. The board was censored. I have to agree that Sean's mouth (fingers) and mood have both been pretty foul of late. If Don was just cleaning up after someone crapped on the carpet I can appreciate it, that is not a job that anyone wants. I too have been here since the beginning and I can appreciate the fact that, for the most part the board has remained civil. Also while you are a little vociferous for my tastes I still have fond memories of the days of Blue Groove, AZ Bike Week and Old Highway 40 Days. Greg | ||
| Dullorb |
I don't have any problem with the deletion. For one thing the whole line was just escalating and putting a cap on it probably let everyone calm down the way they needed to instead of letting it grow. Nothing really got resolved but the way it was going nothing was going to be resolved well anyway what with the vague threats of physical violence being offered. A good sanction at the right time can make the racing world, I mean bedweb a better place. | ||
| Ferris |
Greg, i wasn't trying to come down hard on you, and i too have fond memories of the rides and events we've shared. i WAS, in my way, trying to stick up for Don. my diatribe was meant for all ears, not just yours -- i meant no offense, and my apologies if any was taken. btw, vociferous? "Making, given to, or marked by noisy and vehement outcry." well, there are probably more folks than just you who feel that way, judging by the number of threads i kill when i poke my head in and the list of folks who don't seem to post if i'm anywhere to be seen. i'm passionate and opinionated, that's for sure (who among us isn't?), but in no way am i trying to project that i've got all (or any) of the answers, as i am typically about the most unenlightened person i know. i continue to try to improve, tho. Rocket, i assume you'll be chiming in here soon, and as a fellow enthusiast i would ask you this: take a deep breath before you pound the "Post this Message" button, and consider the feelings of those you name by name, as some of us are pretty sensitive. there's a bunch of people here who still like you and like having you around, and for some reason that i cannot fully explain it's a possibility that i might be one of those folks. and i would ask this favor of everyone else: when YOU get ready to let fly, please re-read the preceding paragraph and substitute YOUR name where it says "Rocket". Greg, again, my apologies. i hope we get to ride together again some day. what are you doing in early September? FB | ||
| Bads1 |
Enough said Ferris.Thanks!!! | ||
| Court |
Anything DOES go.....it goes somewhere else. I have not problem with foul, vulgar language. I have no problem with lots of things. I have the ability to differentiate the proper time and place. One of my *PERSONAL* criteria for enjoying Badweb is the same for various publications that I write and have written for...."if I wouldn't leave it on my living room table in front of the kids (yes, one of them is dating a Ford Agency lingerie model...but...) or on my office lobby table, I want no part" It's actually that simple. I would not walk in someone's house and call their wife a name that I might use somewhere else. Again, simple decorum. There are forum's, and good ones, that allow varying types of decorum. If Badweb does not fit your style or vocabulary, go to one of them. Many other very nice and well versed folks have. My personal standards are not up for a public vote. Court | ||
| Seeeu911 |
This is some funny stuff! You guys take yourselves way too seriously..lighten up a bit puleeease.. Court, you are right a good philosophy.. I agree with you 100% but dammnn man do you have to sound so self-important too? My personal standards are not up for a public vote. "  I gotta believe that you guys are alot more fun and not so pompous in person Well Ferris anyway seems to get the point and is capable of self depreciating (defecating?) humor | ||
| Ferris |
Donn, ask anyone who has met me: i am less fun and more pompous (i know, hard to imagine) in person. |
