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Kcfirebolt
Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Teeps,

He doesn't run a speedo, but based on how fast he passed me at Barber, I'd guess 110-120 on the straights and not much slower in the turns. Not as fast as his 125GP bike, but just as entertaining according to him.

Not sure if he's running tubes or not. Good question.
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Limitedx1
Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i read three or 4 times about maintenance rated in hours.....thats just for valve adjustment, if they made them so you didnt have to adjust them-------you wouldnt ride it because it would have half the horses.

yes if you dont do the adjustment they turn to complete crap. but if you do take the time to make the slight adjustment needed afte each race just like checking bolts and oil then i would see no problem at all with these setups. i know my old dual sport was the funnest motorcycle to ride on the street hands down those kits just take a dual sport and make it evil!!!
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Ezblast
Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ohhh great - so every other week I'm adjusting valves - thats as bad as an old Harley - and having to work on it every other week - pass.
EZ
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Limitedx1
Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

well when you want 55+ horsepower from a 450 4 stroke you will have that, its no secret that all they did was shorten the stroke on those 450 mx'ers to make power. hence the valves are opening more times than a regular trail bike......make them 2 strokes and just pop a piston in every couple races.
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Bob_thompson
Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If AMA does do this class and eventually opens it up to various manufacturers and not just one I can see the engineering depts. of all those scrambling to produce a very competitive bike. Should prove to be exciting for racing especially with what was said by AMA about younger riders/racers.

I believe with so many companys competing in Daytona Sportbike is one reason its gaining popularity every race.

I can see it now, a Ducati resurrection of its old desmo single updated with ultra short stroke and maybe 60 h.p. And how about something from Rotax? Buell will have enough just getting our 1125's/1199's(?) up to the competition.

AMA racings future looks great. Bob
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Gregtonn
Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

...What part was interesting? the part where the riders nearly collided with the "safety car" or the press conference where Mat Mladin said no one will say anything about this until someone gets killed because of fear of fines and retribution?...

The "safety car" was already scheduled to be replaced by Buell safety bikes in the next round.
I stated long ago that cars on the track with motorcycles was a bad idea.

Replacing the "safety car" with motorcycles will help.
Perhaps "safety vehicles on track" flags, something like the "oil on track" flags, would help as well.

Does Mladin seriously think there would "fines and retribution" for suggesting safety improvements? I doubt it.
I do agree with Mladin that the deployment of the "safety car" was very poorly handled.

G
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

Entries in the class would be
restricted to riders between the ages of 16 and 21,




Fail. I want to own them all on a destroked Blast. : (
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Crackhead
Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

hummmm maybe this is why the Blast was missing from the 08, 09 sales booklet.
Buell was waiting for a official announcement to give a big sales and free advertisement boost for the new XBlast
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Liquorwhere
Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

}Ohhh great - so every other week I'm adjusting valves - thats as bad as an old Harley - and having to work on it every other week - pass.
EZ

I have a CRF45R, the valve check is at every 40 hours of ride time, I have had it checked three times since I have owned the bike, that being the last year, the cost was about $55, not once did it need shims or adjustment, I ride that bike like it owes me money, beat on it, the power to weight ratio is outstanding, if you can keep the kit low in weight, that bike would be a ball to ride, I would ride one on the street all day if I could get an on road title for it, with no worries at all. If you use a KTM base, electric start, that is a plus, and you could go up to a 530 cc bike, granted the cost of the bike is higher for KTM, I prefer the Honda and the new ones are fuel injected as well....I don't think there is a problem with this bike at all.....

The "safety car" was already scheduled to be replaced by Buell safety bikes in the next round.
I stated long ago that cars on the track with motorcycles was a bad idea.

Replacing the "safety car" with motorcycles will help.
Perhaps "safety vehicles on track" flags, something like the "oil on track" flags, would help as well.

Does Mladin seriously think there would "fines and retribution" for suggesting safety improvements? I doubt it.
I do agree with Mladin that the deployment of the "safety car" was very poorly handled.

G

It doesn't matter if they replace it with a safety bicycle...every other motorcycle racing entity manages to get by quite safely WITHOUT this crap on the course...and by the way here is the link to the interview, and yes I think Mladin was saying exactly that....
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/090705mlad in.htm
the only reason there were fans in the stands for Laguna was due to MOTOGP bikes running....otherwise it would be like all the other DMG events...ghost towns.
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Crackhead
Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

every 40 hours! hum, i would be getting the bike serviced every 20 days.
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Liquorwhere
Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

every 40 hours! hum, i would be getting the bike serviced every 20 days.

Not serviced, checked. To see if there is a need to shim the valves. They only hold one quart of oil, I installed a cleanable oil filter, it takes about 6 minutes to change the oil with a beer in one hand, the transmission fluid is the same, 9 oz I believe, but because of the above beer, I refer to the book each time, I have the valves done at a local shop as I do not have the tools to shim them if need be, I do the rest. It is not that maintenance intensive, No Toil filter in the cleaning solution for the air filter with some Bel Ray synthetic air filter oil, and the whole thing top to bottom is less than a half hour. Disc brakes that change out in minutes, easiest thing in the world, when I lived 90 miles one way from my work and rode much more on the street than I do now, I changed my fluids once a month in my XB, so it isn't that bad.


(Message edited by liquorwhere on July 06, 2009)
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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 08:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Remember that the 450 motocross engines are race engines and need a fair bit of attention, the same as 125 GP bike needs a fair bit of attention, compared to a street bike. There are plenty of people racing motocross who do this every weekend.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

..."the only reason there were fans in the stands for Laguna was due to MOTOGP bikes running....otherwise it would be like all the other DMG events...ghost towns"...

Dale,
I read Mladin's rant before I posted. Maybe you should have read this before you posted yours.

"Dorna Announces USGP Attendance
by staff baas
Sunday, July 05, 2009
The announced Laguna Seca attendance: 46,679.

There are plenty of fans here but it isn't crazy packed like some of the early events.

ENDS"
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Gregtonn
Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

..."It doesn't matter if they replace it with a safety bicycle...every other motorcycle racing entity manages to get by quite safely WITHOUT this crap on the course...and by the way here is the link to the interview, and yes I think Mladin was saying exactly that....
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/090705mlad in.htm"...


Really? What about this "crap"?


http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/12/setting-the-pac e-bmw-x6-m-debuts-as-motogp-safety-car/

G
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Fast1075
Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Race engines demand attention...wanna go fast??? there is an investment in your time required.
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Talking about a MX engine being run in road racing just doesn't begin to discuss the problems associated with sustained high RPM operations.

Good discussion on RRW http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=3 7238 - and bottom line? Aint gonna be cheap. Probably about like an I-4 because of the recurring maintenance.

Want Cheap??? Think SV or the new Kawi Ninja.
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Liquorwhere
Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dale,
I read Mladin's rant before I posted. Maybe you should have read this before you posted yours.

"Dorna Announces USGP Attendance
by staff baas
Sunday, July 05, 2009
The announced Laguna Seca attendance:
46,679.


Greg,
I did read that before I posted, same place you did, when was the last time 46,000 people showed up to watch an AMA event?? um...a long, long time..if ever......so..there ya go

Oh yes, there is a car that stays behind the riders before the race, runs the track before they race to look for problems on the track, and when was the last time you saw a motoGP bike following a safety car??? I have never, ever seen it...so there ya go....
and it is still crap.

(Message edited by liquorwhere on July 07, 2009)
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Danny_h__jesternut
Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I wonder how many of the 46,000 fans left after the GP race? I would have!
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Svh
Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Perhaps "safety vehicles on track" flags, something like the "oil on track" flags, would help as well."

They have this. Was deployed starting in turn 9, 10, 11 and at the line. Some people chose to ignore it. Again.

I do not like the car and hope the bike does better but there also is an expectation that the riders will see the flags and respond. There have been way too many missed flags this year. Look at Elkhart there were 4 riders that got jump start penalties and 3 of them got booted for not coming in. Hopefully everyone gets this right soon so there is not an injury or worse.
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Eboos
Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 05:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

People are already roadracing 450 supermoto bikes all over the country, and have been for years. The maintenance won't suddenly go up by putting a R1 fork and a fairing on them.
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Maintenance won't go UP because of anything... it's just that to think it's going to be inexpensive is WRONG... and the rebuild rate WILL be higher than that in MX racing because of much higher average RPM as compared to MX.

Still is a cool thing... but I miss the blue smoke.
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Liquorwhere
Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 06:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I do not like the car and hope the bike does better but there also is an expectation that the riders will see the flags and respond. There have been way too many missed flags this year. Look at Elkhart there were 4 riders that got jump start penalties and 3 of them got booted for not coming in. Hopefully everyone gets this right soon so there is not an injury or worse.

I have to question the purpose at all of the safety car, bike or anything else, if it is raining on track the leading bike signals a hazard by raising his hand, same with oil, same with the red flag coming out...what is the purpose of this vehicle other than to NASCAR the sport? MotoGP, WSBK, EVEN AMA DIRTTRACK, all restart from a stand still, why the rolling start? It is just crap all the way around..Danny is right, I would have left after the GP race, unless I would have known Nicky Hayden would get into a shouting match with race officials from the AMA/DMG, I would have loved to have seen that.Hopefully he explained they suck, and should sell the series to a competent promoter. In no uncertain terms. Anyway...I hope that the 450 series takes place through the MIC where it will be properly handled, ruled, and promoted..Hopefully next year all but Yamaha, and Buell I would assume, will pull their support of the AMA and go to a series sanctioned by the MIC, Yamaha will stay I would assume...it puts them on the top of the box....but I would think they would race both series with a satellite in the MIC...hopefully....


(Message edited by liquorwhere on July 07, 2009)
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Svh
Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 08:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I agree that there shouldn't be pace anything at a motorcycle event but unfortunately they don't seem to want to give it up yet so we, as in everyone besides DMG, are forced to live with it so it would be nice to have it at least work some what smoother.
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The re-start in single-file was senseless to watch.

I don't know but DMG sure seems to have stepped on their weenie on a few occasions. Unsafety car, re-starts, you name it... I hope it gets tied together and ironed out.

I like the way Sportbike and Superbike are structured, it's the "safety" thing that has me so concerned for the safety of the racers.
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Eboos
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 09:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My point was, it seems that article was biased against running a 450 in a national level pro series suggesting that it was too failure prone, but not looking into the maintenance issues associated with other bikes.

Also, that people who have already been riding 450's on the track shouldn't experience anything different as far as frequency of rebuilds go.
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Ezblast
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Liquorwhere - very good points, how hard is the adjusting to do? I'd reconsider, if it wasn't time intensive - tools, I got, are parts pricey? If Buell did enter this market, that would cool - especially with a rotax motor.
EZ
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Liquorwhere
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

EZ,
From watching the mechanic it is five bolts to get from the bike running to the valves exposed, the shims are cheap, you buy a kit that lasts a long time from what the shop says, it is rare they need too much adjustment, the tools seem simple to MIC the valve and then shim if necessary, but I have not done it, just seen it, so I couldn't tell ya more than that. Plus there are street legal 450's and 550's that could be converted...
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

USGPRU is working on it... and there are certain to be issues with the engine life - but at the end of the year, there WILL be some experience.

I do think it's a much better entry class than the I-4 600cc bikes... but that's just me.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My neighbor has a CRF-450x... nice bike, wicked fast and light.

It looked to me like the whole top rocker arm / cam journal / cam assembly would very easily unbolt and could be replaced as a module. So I think the maintenance effort may not be that awful, but I bet the costs can stack up in a hurry. I suspect that module from the Honda factory is pushing north of $500, and a whole head with valves would drive it to over $1000...

Fun bike for sure though...
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