| Author | Message | ||
     Wolfridgerider |
I still think he is a douche canoe... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Agreed. That better have been some super cooch. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I can say with some authority.... Argentina is a beautiful country... Don't know that I would fly there just to get laid... But ya gotta go where the monkey takes ya... Can we please elect someone that leads by example? | ||
| Dbird29 |
I was thinking the same thing He has the worst apology speech of all time and gets out of the nationwide public humiliation circus | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Can we please elect someone that ISN'T lead by THEIR WIENER? There. Fixed it for you. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Yea, the mighty sure have fallen. He is going to be freaking excoriated over this. As far as fiscal conservatism, Sanford has always stuck by his guns and pissed off not only Democrats, but members of his own party as well. When he was in congress he was one guy that would say "I don't care if that bill will bring a bunch of money to SC, it's a boondoggle and is a waste of the taxpayers' money" and he'd vote against it. He handed his opponents his head on a silver platter. Dbird, I thought the apology speech was pretty good in that he didn't make any excuses, he 'fessed right up. I can't think of a better example of "WTF was HE thinking?", ever.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I was hoping that he might have been a contender for 2012 because of his fiscal stance. Unlike others, we will hold him accountable and seek his resignation. Others can have discretions much worse and don't have a problem staying in office after abridging the public trust. Where the hell are the people who do what the say? The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Dbird, I thought the apology speech was pretty good in that he didn't make any excuses, he 'fessed right up. I agree. He messed up. Not the first, won't be the last. You will find no perfect leaders on either side of the aisle. Everyone has different weaknesses and more then likely will stumble at some point. Character is not perfection. It is often how the person responds afterward that is the real measure of character. I got a real sense of shame from the man. He wasn't trying to justify it. The argument could be made that the 'jig was up' and he's only doing damage control. I can't speak to that. Anybody that pretends to know that answer either has inside information or is full of crap. If the feeling of remorse I was picking up from the speech was true then I really feel sorry for the man. Shame is a heavy burden to bear. I feel sorry for the family irregardless. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Remourse or not, this was more than a lapse in judgement, or a mistake. If he went to strip club, got hot and heavy with a dancer and ended up in her pants, that's a lapse in judgement. Flying 6,000 miles to get some sounds a bit more calculated to me. At that point, you didn't just "mess up" or "make a mistake". You have demonstrated that you have a lack of basic morals and have trouble making wise decisions on the most basic level. Court always makes a good point - it would be statistically impossible to take a random sample of the population and find the ratio of the number of scumbags to be equal to those found in politics. (he uses IRS "complications" as his example, but I think the argument stands). | ||
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| Slaughter |
You know what is truly bad? I end up looking at Court's equation and trying to relate to it as a function in 3D. (Message edited by slaughter on June 26, 2009) | ||
| Pammy |
"If he went to strip club, got hot and heavy with a dancer and ended up in her pants, that's a lapse in judgement." What's he doing in a strip club? Accident? I would say both would be calculated...semantics is all. | ||
| Xl1200r |
What's he doing in a strip club? Accident? I would say both would be calculated...semantics is all. While not the most upstanding place to be, it's not unheard of for a male, or group of males to go to a strip club. I could just as easily change to have him going to the corner bar and things got hot and heavy with another customer. | ||
| Greenlantern |
Especially if that other customers name was Herb. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
I never said he 'made a mistake.' There are no mistakes in character. It is always a decision. It can either be a snap decision or one that much thought is given to. It is always calculated to a degree. Your strip club scenario is flawed in that the person is justified because they 'made a mistake'. BS. They made a decision. It is no better or worse then a calculated one. He was pretty clear that this was a long term relationship that developed into adultery. Once again, he's not the first. Before you get the impression that I'm soft on adulterers I'm not. The way people handle trust in their personal relationships is usually a good indication of their trustworthiness in other areas. We all fail in some area(s). To expect otherwise is folly. I'll stand by my assertion that the best indication of character is how one deals with failure. Up to now, he's seemed to be genuinely shameful. Nobody can know for sure. I'll leave the stone throwing to the people better then me. Court always makes a good point - it would be statistically impossible to take a random sample of the population and find the ratio of the number of scumbags to be equal to those found in politics. (he uses IRS "complications" as his example, but I think the argument stands). I think you both give the population too much credit. If you choose this as your standard I'd wager the population is composed of far more scumbags then you think. Either way, good luck all in finding a perfect leader. When you find him/her let me know so I can stop voting for all the scumbags. | ||
| Court |
>>>semantics is all Make that "Sementics" and I might agree. We need to aspire higher. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Your strip club scenario is flawed in that the person is justified because they 'made a mistake'. BS. They made a decision. It is no better or worse then a calculated one. It was only meant to point out the difference between a heat-of-the-moment snap decision and a long drawn-out calculated one. Yes, a decision is made in either case. The difference being in the strip club, there's a lot less time to think about consequences. How long does it take to decide to book a flight, actually book it, pack all your stuff, drive to the airport, wait there, have your 6,000 mile flight, get off the plane, get a car, meet up with mrs. whoever, and have a little fun before you bang her? There is a SERIOUS character flaw with someone who can go through all of that and not once stop and say, "Hey, maybe this isn't the right thing to do". Neither scenario is good, but I find one far more forgivable than the other. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
V={F:R3|X-->R3 so (Del x F)=0} W={F=(Del g)} dim(v/w)=? | ||
| Hughlysses |
How long does it take to decide to book a flight, actually book it, pack all your stuff, drive to the airport, wait there, have your 6,000 mile flight, get off the plane, get a car, meet up with mrs. whoever, and have a little fun before you bang her? There is a SERIOUS character flaw with someone who can go through all of that and not once stop and say, "Hey, maybe this isn't the right thing to do". Well, it does appear that the visits he made to Argentina where there was hanky-panky going on (only 3 according to Sanford) were all work-related. He was down there in his official capacity. So in that regard, he's at least as justified as the guy that wanders into a strip club, maybe more so. "Hell, I'm already down here, and I have to drive right by her building. It would be rude not to drop in and say hello." Yea, it's total BS, but I can imagine that's how the thought process goes. BTW- the need for one of these three trips has been questioned and Sanford's already said he'll pay back the costs of that trip. | ||
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| Court |
Shame of it is . . . . none of it should be our business but these folks, when elected, make it our business. Times have changed. No one so much as raised an eyebrow in the days when John Kennedy ran ass in and out of The White House. Perhaps the content of leaders has reached a low that dictates we "find stuff" to take them to task on. I was impressed when Sanford refused the federal stimulus funds, citing all the attached strings. He may be a good Governor. But he's taken away our chance to know. My opinion is that I have no opinion. It's simply not my business. I do not like seeing anyone's family suffer. Knowing little and wishing I knew less . . . I do know I feel sorry, for widely disparate reasons, everyone involved from the guilty parties to the innocent to those of us who have been drug in by a 24 hour news cycle. | ||
| Pammy |
"Yes, a decision is made in either case. The difference being in the strip club, there's a lot less time to think about consequences." So what you are saying is that men , in general, aren't aware of the activities that are typical of such an establishment. Also a man might be oblivious to the pitfalls that might befall even the most innocent of patrons to such a place. Is that like "well, I am here for the beer but since I have my penis with me...I might as well get the full monty."? I am not trying to bust anyones cajones...I'm just sayin'... | ||
| Pammy |
I agree with Court. It should be between him and his family. I don't fault him for being a stupid human. As long as he is good at his job...I think he should keep it. His wife will make him suffer(and suffer, he should) enough for his transgressions. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Is that like "well, I am here for the beer but since I have my penis with me...I might as well get the full monty."? Thats funny right there, I don't care who ya are. We need to aspire higher. Agreed. | ||
| Xl1200r |
What on Earth could the gov. of the State of South Carolina have any justifiable business reason to travel to Argentina? The fact that he even charged it using public funds, despite his offer to pay it back, is SICKENING - and he's a fiscal conservative??? And quite frankly (I have to disagree with Court on this one), by using public funds to travel 6,000 miles for a booty call MAKES it the public's business. And that's the bottom line. Same deal when out former scumbag Gov. of New York got busted for hiring a prostitute on a regular basis, after a long career fighting prostitution. He used OUR money and commited a CRIME. Why isn't he in jail? I digress... Pammy - If you can't get the difference, I don't know how else to show you. I'm not saying it would be a good decision, or he would be unaware of possibilities, or whatever else. Are you trying to tell me that there's never been a time in your life where, maybe when you were a little drunk, you decided to do something, ANYTHING, that didn't pan out so well? And that had you been stone sober, or just taken 5 minutes to think about it, you might have gone a different route? I know I have. Plenty of times. It doesn't have to invlove adultery - "Maybe I shouldn't have eaten that", or "maybe I should have kept my pants on"... anything. I'm not saying either case is excusable - not in the least. I'm saying one is far more unforigivable than the other. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I learned a LONG time ago not to put myself, large amounts of booze and loose women in the same location.... Been happily married for almost 17 years and have plans on being happily married for another....47 years... by that time I'll be 90 and if I can score a hot 70 year old at that age.... more power to me!! In other words.... don't put yourself into a situation that could cost you everything. | ||
| Hughlysses |
In other words.... don't put yourself into a situation that could cost you everything. +1 to that. 29 years for me and I hope to beat my parents' 67 years. | ||
| Pammy |
"I'm saying one is far more unforigivable than the other." And what I am saying is that his family will not see it that way at all. A heinous betrayal of your family is just that...doesn't matter how far you travel to perpetrate it. I think you may be a bit jaded. I have committed unforgivable acts under the influence of chocolate....does that count? When I do stupid things(and I do) I can only blame myself. Is one not sober before they become intoxicated? I would think that that act in itself would also be a conscious decision...again, seMENtics. Ha Ha | ||
| Pammy |
"In other words.... don't put yourself into a situation that could cost you everything." That's what I'm sayin' | ||
| Xl1200r |
Guys, you're all missing the point. Forget the booze. Have you not done anything in a split second decision that, if you had taken an extra minute to think about, you wouldn't have not done? Yeah, for his family, it doesn't really matter. And it shouldn't for them. It's unexcusable in any light from their viewpoint. But they have emotions attached. But we, as the public, should be able to stpe back and be more objective about it. Don't get me wrong - I've been on both sides of the cheating fence, and it sucks. I learned a lot in both cases, and have so little tolerance for those who commit it at this point. Tell me what's more irreronsible - 1) A kid, standing on a roof wearing a cape, claims to be able to fly, jumps off and breaks his arm. 2) Or, the same kid, standing on a roof wearing a cape, claims to be able to fly, but steps back and thinks about what he's about to do, what the real world consequences will be, and decides to jump anyways, breaking his arm. I'm just sayin'. Either way, this guy would have been a scumbag. No argument from me on that one. |
