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     Johnnymceldoo |
In the wake of the shooting of late-term abortionist George Tiller, President Barack Obama sent out a welcome message that this nation would not tolerate attacks on pro-lifers or any other Americans because of their religion or beliefs. Ha ha! Just kidding. That was the lead sentence -- with minor edits -- of a New York Times editorial warning about theoretical hate crimes against Muslims published eight months after 9/11. Can pro-lifers get a hate crimes bill passed and oceans of ink devoted to assuring Americans that "most pro-lifers are peaceful"? For years, we've had to hear about the grave threat that Americans might overreact to a terrorist attack committed by 19 Muslims shouting "Allahu akbar" as they flew commercial jets into American skyscrapers. That would be the equivalent of 19 pro-lifers shouting "Abortion kills a beating heart!" as they gunned down thousands of innocent citizens in Wichita, Kan. Why aren't liberals rushing to assure us this time that "most pro-lifers are peaceful"? Unlike Muslims, pro-lifers actually are peaceful. According to recent polling, a majority of Americans oppose abortion -- which is consistent with liberals' hysterical refusal to allow us to vote on the subject. In a country with approximately 150 million pro-lifers, five abortionists have been killed since Roe v. Wade. In that same 36 years, more than 49 million babies have been killed by abortionists. Let's recap that halftime score, sports fans: 49 million to five. Meanwhile, fewer than 2 million Muslims live in America and, while Muslims are less murderous than abortionists, I'm fairly certain they've killed more than five people in the United States in the last 36 years. For some reason, the number "3,000" keeps popping into my head. So in a country that is more than 50 percent pro-life -- and 80 percent opposed to the late-term abortions of the sort performed by Tiller -- only five abortionists have been killed. And in a country that is less than 0.5 percent Muslim, several dozen Muslims have killed thousands of Americans. But the killing of about one abortionist per decade leads liberals to condemn the entire pro-life movement as "domestic terrorists." At least liberals have finally found some terrorists they'd like to send to Guantanamo. Tiller bragged about performing 60,000 abortions, including abortions of viable babies, able to survive outside the mother's womb. He made millions of dollars performing late-term abortions so gruesome that only two other abortionists -- not a squeamish bunch -- in the entire country would perform them. Kansas law allows late-term abortions only to save the mother's life or to prevent "irreversible physical damage" to the mother. But Tiller was more than happy to kill viable babies, provided the mothers: (1) forked over $5,000; and (2) mentioned "substantial and irreversible conditions," which, in Tiller's view, apparently included not being able to go to concerts or rodeos or being "temporarily depressed" on account of their pregnancies. In return for blood money from Tiller's profitable abattoir, Democrats ran a political protection racket for the late-term abortionist. In 1997, The Washington Post reported that Tiller attended one of Bill Clinton's White House coffees for major campaign contributors. In addition to a $25,000 donation to Clinton, Tiller wanted to thank him personally for 30 months of U.S. Marshals' protection paid for by the U.S. taxpayer. Kansas Democrats who received hundreds of thousands of campaign dollars from Tiller repeatedly intervened to block any interference with Tiller's abortion mill. Kathleen Sebelius, who was the governor of Kansas until Obama made her Health and Human Services Secretary, received hundreds of thousands of campaign dollars from Tiller. Sebelius vetoed one bill restricting late-term abortions and another one that would have required Tiller to turn over his records pertaining to "substantial and irreversible conditions" justifying his late-term abortions. Kansas Attorney General Paul Morrison also got elected with the help of Tiller's blood money, replacing a Republican attorney general who was in the middle of an investigation of Tiller for various crimes including his failure to report statutory rapes, despite performing abortions on pregnant girls as young as 11. But soon after Morrison replaced the Republican attorney general, the charges against Tiller were reduced and, in short order, he was acquitted of a few misdemeanors. In what is a not uncommon cost of doing business with Democrats, Morrison is now gone, having been forced to resign when his mistress charged him with sexual harassment and corruption. Tiller was protected not only by a praetorian guard of elected Democrats, but also by the protective coloration of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America -- coincidentally, the same church belonged to by Tiller's fellow Wichita executioner, the BTK killer. The official Web page of the ELCA instructs: "A developing life in the womb does not have an absolute right to be born." As long as we're deciding who does and doesn't have an "absolute right to be born," who's to say late-term abortionists have an "absolute right" to live? I wouldn't kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn't want to impose my moral values on others. No one is for shooting abortionists. But how will criminalizing men making difficult, often tragic, decisions be an effective means of achieving the goal of reducing the shootings of abortionists? Following the moral precepts of liberals, I believe the correct position is: If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one. http://anncoulter.com/ | ||
| Old_man |
Every "liberal" is not pro abortion. A true liberal values the individual, including those individuals who are not yet out of their mother's womb. Many "conservatives" think the government should keep out of the individuals business, and are for "the individual's right" to decide for themselves. I am more centralist. I am pro life. I used to often vote Republican, but now they are too far right wing for me. I hope they moderate, so that I might have the choice I once had. | ||
| Edgydrifter |
Yawn. | ||
| 86129squids |
(Those who were lucky not to have read that verbose drivel verbatim count your blessings. The last line of the post is cue to wash your eyes with saline thoroughly.) Ann Coulter is the Ocoee River for douche canoeists. What a- aw crap let's see how long this stays out of backfires. Human dingbat starling. (Message edited by 86129squids on June 04, 2009) | ||
| Buellgrrrl |
If anything, the blathering post promotes stereotypes. For example, the writer is way off the mark on the various lutheran synods. Out in Starbuck almost every church is affilliated with ELCA, reputedly the most progressive lutheran synod. I was raised in ELCA and can hardly recognize them. Down in Naples I attend a "Misery Synod" (Missouri Synod, reputedly the most conservative lutheran synod) congregation that defies the stereotypes, sharing the church building with a spanish speaking congregation and advocating for poor farm workers. Our pastor is ecumenical, riding both a BMW and Suzuki. Here in Minneapolis, about 90% of the churches are flaming liberal regardless of denomination. BTW, if you think you've got BuellGrrrl's religious preferences pegged, I'm part jewish and have been know to visit MCC too. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I used to often vote Republican, but now they are too far right wing for me.  I find the current batch of republicans far too LEFT wing. We no longer have Republicans and Democrats - we have Democrats and Liberal Extremists. | ||
| Rainman |
I often find myself wishing that retroactive abortion was legal ..... | ||
| Limitedx1 |
wow a thread with religion and politics, and the two being cross referenced  | ||
| Pammy |
I smell smoke. | ||
| Indybuell |
If I was president, I would give each citizen free beer, and a free gun... HAVE AT IT! | ||
| Texastechx1 |
wow a thread with religion and politics, and the two being cross referenced I smell smoke. No joke, I ain't touching this thread with a 29 1/2 foot pole!  | ||
| Bill0351 |
From a strictly nonpartisan perspective... That reads like a stream-of-consciousness from a paranoid schizophrenic. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
I posted the article because I believe it gives a fine example of media hypocrisy. Anne is also a great thinker just like Rush but the two are constantly targeted for beliefs that are not extreme. How many in the media were concerned about obama having a pastor who believed 9-11 was deserved? I dont want government sponsored religion and I dont like it when people preach at me and act self righteous but Iam on the fence when it comes to abortion. I think if abortion was legal and less taboo 50-70 years ago people like the parents of nancy pelosi, barney frank and sean penn might have had a more care free fulfilling lifestyle instead of being burdened by the responsibility of raising a child. Buellgrrrl, my simple mind cant comprehend the complexity of your post but I do recognize that you are indeed very intelligent and dynamic. I would not dare make assumptions about you and neither could anyone here. You are just too special and a well read individual. I do thank you for your feedback though. It will no doubt be the highlight of my week. | ||
| 86129squids |
"From a strictly nonpartisan perspective... That reads like a stream-of-consciousness from a paranoid schizophrenic." And... she makes big $$$ doing her thing. People PAY her for her unique brand of nuttiness. Lots more than I make at my job. I can write as well or better than Ann Coulter. I just need to master the subject material she mines so well to steal her fan base away, and keep them foaming at the mouth. Fools and their money... Yeah, I can do that... but my momma raised me better than that. | ||
| Bill0351 |
"Anne is also a great thinker just like Rush" Hey Johnnymceldoo, my simple mind can't comprehend the complexity of your post. Bill | ||
| 86129squids |
"Anne is also a great thinker just like Rush but the two are constantly targeted for beliefs that are not extreme." Johnny, please buddy, I must take exception to that statement. They are by no means "great thinkers". They are "entertainers", with nowhere near the noodle needed to really "think". IMHO, they are unnaturally articulate idiots with loud voices. Obama's pastor certainly was out of line by saying what he did, but I think most folks took that statement only at face value without considering how he came to think that. That said, I would more easily label him a "great thinker" by virtue of his being a college professor, author, and civic leader, having left behind and learned from a checkered past. Allright, I smell smoke too. BURN BABY BURN!!!! | ||
| Rfischer |
OK - I'll gladly throw the match.... Obama's pastor is a racist; as is his pick for the U.S. Supreme Court. Their very public and impossible to excuse or rationalize statements are ample evidence. Res ipsa loquiter Perfectly normal as it is the human condition. Clannish, tribal, ethnic-centric and all that. 'Cept me of course. I simply don't like anybody very much on general principles. | ||
| 86129squids |
Labeling theory. SSSSMokin!!!! | ||
| Ducxl |
WE don't call them "Babies" until they breath on their own.On the OUTSIDE of the female. and it's PRO-CHOICE, not PRO-ABORTION. Nobody enjoys an abortion.It's a sad ending. Government must stay OUT of a woman's uterus | ||
| Bill0351 |
"Obama's pastor is a racist; as is his pick for the U.S. Supreme Court." Obama's pastor was and is racist. There really is no way around it, but I think labeling Sotomayor as a racist is a stretch, especially if all you are looking at is the small quote that has been posted all over the news and Internet. That quote is part of a larger piece that makes several really good points. Go ahead and read it if you have the time. I hope the link works. Never believe a carefully trimmed quote that has been chosen to make a point, even if it's a point you already agree with. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15ju dge.text.html?pagewanted=5&_r=1 | ||
| Old_man |
WE don't call them "Babies" until they breath on their own.On the OUTSIDE of the female That is the crux of the dispute. | ||
| P_squared |
Bill, I gotta disagree on the SCOTUS pick. She has a history, not a "...the small quote that has been posted all over the news and Internet" She made the same basic statement in '94. The difference between the 2 quotes was that 'Latina' was added in the later version. Anyway you slice it, this nation would be in a FUROR if a White Male had made a similar remark. If it's racist for one, it's racist for the other. Just my opinion & YMMV. As to the opening post of this thread, there IS something to be considered IMO in relation to the VERY public denouncement & attacks on "Right Wing Fanacticsm/Pro-Life/Concervative Christion/Whatever term of the moment" versus the nearly deafening silence of the murder 24 hrs. later of 1 of our service members in front a recruiting station in Little Rock. THAT p!$$e$ me off. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I'd say a full 75% of the people I've come into contact in my lifetime could be considered racist, including myself. As Rfischer pointed out, "Perfectly normal as it is the human condition. Clannish, tribal, ethnic-centric and all that. " I believe the problem with Sonia is not her racist views but in the fact she can't look past them or suppress them . A judge is supposed to set aside their personal views and not take sides for any reason. There is a reason Lady Justice wears a blindfold. | ||
| Dynasport |
We call many of them babies that need help to breath on their own when they are first born. Many of them grow and live healthy lives. Claiming otherwise is either dishonest or ignorant. I really try to stay out of posts like this, but I can't let that comment go unanswered. Time for me to go. | ||
| Old_man |
Everyone that I know calls them babies when they are still in the mother's body. I never heard it asked. Have you learned the sex of the fetus? | ||
| Ducxl |
Morning after pill.Abortion or not? Oh...i GOT it.. (Message edited by ducxl on June 04, 2009) | ||
| Socoken |
Some have postulated that the legalization of abortion in the seventies is what lead to the crime rate drop of the Clinton era in the mid nineties, 18 years later....... | ||
| Old_man |
To say the the baby while still in the mother's body is not a human being goes against science and common sense. The mother's right to decide about her body is the question. Does her right to stop her body from caring for this other individual within her take precedence over the other life. I hard question. But to deny the humanity of the baby within is without any basis. (Message edited by old_man on June 05, 2009) | ||
| 86129squids |
What the hell were we talking about? Ohe yeah We should save the babies. We should understand the consequences of bumping uglies. "Put a helmet on that soldier if yer going into battle!!!!" Had a buddy that asked me once for a $$$ loan to cover his "mistake" with his GF. I inititally agreed, but later couldn't participate for fear of my own mojo. Life is subjective. | ||
| Corporatemonkey |
Anne is also a great thinker just like Rush Can you pass whatever you are smoking?  Seriously though, what is up with all the weirdness around here lately? Do we need to have group hug? |
