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Thumper74
Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My wife does like my subcompact 9mm (kicks harder than the .357 or the .357 Magnum.

I'd like to get her something small, fun, non-intimidating to shoot with me. I'd also like it to introduce my step son to soon.

I'm seeing lots of quality control issues and ammo sensitivity from gun forums, but almost all of the posts are older. Did these issues get resolved in later production runs?

I know I'll get pointed at a Browning Buckmark or a Ruger Mark III. I'd rather that I get a gun that's tried and true, but I don't think that she'd like that 'style' of gun. I'd just ask her, but it's going to be a birthday present.
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X1_
Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Have you thought about a .32 ACP or a .380. In the .32 the CZ 82/83's are damn fine guns. Also the Taurus Millennium Pro is very nice. As for .380 Glock 25 is the way to go. Neither have very good reviews for what you have listed and the p22's slides are made from a form of Zinc.
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Thumper74
Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 07:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't think it's the slides, it's the slide rails on the polymer frames that are the issue.

I want to keep it .22, inexpensive and small enough for a woman with small hands a 6-8 year old.
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Etennuly
Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 07:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have had my Mark III for a couple of years now. I have the lighter tapered barrel. When I first got it I had some jamming issues, but came to an understanding with it(not unlike the Uly)when I figured out what it likes and dislikes.

It seems the best thing to do to keep it happy(other than good cleaning) is to keep a can of spray gun oil on hand when using it. I buy the less expensive hollow point Remington LR in the 500 count box. The trick is to spray a shot of lube on the clips and bullets as I load them, and lube the mechanism frequently. It really has not had a jamb since I started doing that a few weeks after I got it. I do pop a lot of 10 round bursts, 'cause it is fun.

Cool thing is you can shoot until you are bored for less than $5.00.
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X1_
Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 07:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Man, I am stupid I forgot about the CZ75's you can get them with .22 LR barrels and mags and also change them to 9MM or .40. They CZ's are backed with an impressive record and they last a lifetime.

(Message edited by x1_ on May 15, 2009)
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P3newbie
Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i shoot a short bull barrel ruger .22. inexpensive, fairly light, and mine has been very reliable.

my .02
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll have to chime in here and also vote for the Ruger.
I have an old mark 1 with 9 round mags and it's like a remote control for cans.
It's a great plinking gun and the weight of it makes the recoil a complete non-issue.
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Hdbobwithabuell
Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I bought a mosquito after reading several articles about the Walter's overall quality. (Things like the metal flaking off the slide)
I hated the SIG at first but finally figured out that it will only reliably feed CCI mini mags. With that know, this is one of the most fun and least expensive pistols I own.
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Texastechx1
Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

roommate has a walter P22 pistol, very nice, compact, relatively light, and never had any issues with it. sometimes shooting thousands of rounds through her before she gets a full cleaning.

needless to say, I'd buy one!
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 11:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Ruger is better if you want to customise it, the Buckmark is good to just not much in the way of drop in goodies. I've shot both and licked them both. I think the browning is a little better for smaller hands, but I asked my buddie and he disagrees so what do I know. I ended up with a Neos 'cuz I got it for next to nothing and it shoots good.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is kind of like asking what motorcycle is right for your wife. You need to decide for what reason you want the pistol. Will it be for plinking and teaching marksmanship? Or is it a defense carry weapon?

If it's for plinking and marksmanship there are a bunch of target style .22s out there to choose from. Reliability would be a secondary concern, since a failure to feed is not that big of a deal when you are just shooting paper for fun. Reliability is of the utmost concern if you are carrying the pistol to protect yourself.

Also, economics play a role since if you plan on spending lots of time at a range, the .22 will always be the least expensive gun to care for and feed. When dealing with a defense weapon, economics should really play no part. Would you trust your life to a $60 Raven .25? I would trust my life to a proven $250 Beretta Bobcat .25. or a Tomcat in .32.

I would not recommend carrying a .22 as a defensive weapon. I would much rather carry a .25 or a .32. The reasoning is simple. A .22 rimfire cartridge is not as reliable as a centerfire .25 or .32. The quality control is greater on a quality centerfire round, and the centerfires are more likely to go ďbangĒ each time the trigger is pulled. Contrary to some popular opinion, the .25 and .32 round are more dangerous than a .22 when fired out of a short pistol barrel. The .22 statistics that most people quote to prove its superiority are often confused with the stats of a .22 fired from a rifle. In a 2.5Ē barrel the .25 and .32 are better than the .22!

Comfort, concealability, and ease of use are paramount. Just like a motorcycle. What good is a bike if your wife will never feel comfortable on it and wonít ride? It applies to weapons as well. If she wonít carry it for whatever reason, it does no good sitting at home in the safe. So with that said, if a .22 is all she will carry, then thatís what she should carry despite all the academic reasons why a .22 is inferior.

Whatever weapon you decide on, familiarity with that weapon should be of the utmost concern - familiarity in its functions, cleaning, and primarily its use as a weapon. A woman (or anyone for that matter who is inclined to carry a purse) ; ) canít expect to throw a gun into her purse, and trust herself to know how and when to act, when that weapon is ultimately needed. Lots of rounds downrange with proper instruction and retrospection equals a more proficient and calm gun carrier. The use of the weapon should become almost instinctive. Muscle memory rules and training is key. When the shit hits the fan, you revert to your training and act almost automatically.

I love the P22 for what it is, but it never felt comfortable in my hands. The tiny Beretta Jetfire .25 I just bought feels like an extension of my arm even though it is half the size of my wifeís P22.

Jetfire is no longer made, but the Bobcat is a SA/DA version of the Jetfire.

Kahr, Rohrbaugh, Seecamp among others make a great subcompact pistols.

Iíve heard decent reviews on the Keltec .32 and .380 although the consensus is that they need a little polishing before they can be considered worthy of carry.

Holy shite, did I just type all of that? I need a drink.
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Doubled
Posted on Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 02:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I used to have a P22. In fact it is the only gun I used to have. I got the long barrel with the slide extension on it and always had problems with the extension working its way off the barrel. It was only held on with a set screw and it didn't set very good. One of my buddies bought the short version recently and he is having horrible problems with it cycling. He sent it back and got told there is nothing wrong with it. Their reasoning for the problem is that because the barrel is so short it does not hold enough pressure long enough for it completely cycle and eject the spent round. I will never own a P22 again and will never recommend one. Traded it for a Ruger 22/45 Target and have never looked back.
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Wile_ecoyote
Posted on Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 02:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well said Lunchbox. I have to add though that I recently bought a Bersa 380. Its a fine little pistol that shoots well and is easy to cary/conceal. Its fairly accurate and only cost me 275 nib. It has a gun lock right on the side of it and my old lady loves to shoot it. Shes always been afraid of guns till I let her shoot this one.
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Teddagreek
Posted on Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

failure to feed

Spent a good hour with the P22 last saturday and its a hoot, not feeding did happen a lot.

I think feeding was more related to cheap ammo...

I also shot my bud's LCP, he recently added the laser
I'm not a big laser guy but being so compact I think its more accurate with one..

You could stash that thing just about any where...
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Bcordb3
Posted on Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 09:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Take a look at the Bersa .380, nice small CCW.
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Vanvideo
Posted on Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Don't discount a .22 revolver. Revolvers have no issues with different makes of cartridges; if it fits in the gun, it'll shoot. Cheap, expensive, whatever. If the round doesn't fire, simply pull the trigger and you're good to go. No jamming issues.
I have a Ruger Mk II - and it's jammed. I've shot the P22 - and it's jammed. I had a single-action .22 (can't remember the make) and it never jammed.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Vanvideo, good point. A nice compact .38 S&W revolver is also reliable and easy to handle and carry.
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Cowboy
Posted on Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

my wife wts only #108 caries a lady smith and loves it.( shoots approx. 200 rounds per MO.)
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Thumper74
Posted on Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry fellas. "shoot with me"= plinking.

I carry an xd sub compact 9mm, but even the 9 is pricey now. The p22 and mosquito just felt cheap. The owner gave me his opinion on both and showed me a ruger mk
iii for less money and it just seems better built
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Doughnut
Posted on Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ruger mk
iii for less money and it just seems better built

+1
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Unibear12r
Posted on Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Shoot the biggest caliber handgun that fits your NEEDS, (ie, revolver vs autoloader, concealment, etc.), that you TRUST, and that you can HIT the target with.

Every Ruger I've owned has been a fine weapon.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

With regard to the P22 jamming issues, I think you need a good hot round nose bullet, and a trick I learned is to load the magazine and tap it into your hand a few times so the primer ends of the rounds are nice and tight up against the back wall of the magazine. We've had very few feeding and ejection problems with out P22.

As far as the barrel extension coming loose, a little loctite (on the set screw) is your friend.

The biggest issue that I have with the P22 is that when you take it down for cleaning, you need a special plastic rod to hold the spring in place when you reattach the slide. I lost this doohickey immediately and it took me lots of time and cursing to get the gun back together. Walther sent me a replacement free of charge though.

The P22 will also fire CCI bird shot rounds. Makes a neat back porch snake gun (not that I condone shooting snakes).
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Loki
Posted on Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 03:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A friend of mine just got his Bearcat back from Ruger. Says it feels just like it was brand new. It is a shame that they will no longer support the MkI.

Now that I am looking for a second carry gun. The new .327 magnum is looking good as a wheel gun.


As a side question. Any Beretta Cougar owners out there? I am in search of a .357 Sig barrel for one.
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