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Jaimec
| | Posted on Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 07:03 pm: | 
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There is a NYS PAC that is in fact working on this. |
Badlionsfan
| | Posted on Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 07:26 pm: |
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Ha, be glad you guys don't drive commercial vehicles. Scales and inspections are part of life in a truck. |
Paw
| | Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 01:17 am: |
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Court i am not in NYC and will not travel there ever on my bike so i have nothing to worry about going to court there. most bike gathering are outside the NYC city limits... So i think most are safe in court without a lawyer as long as their homework was done.
Listen it is a constitutional deal when they say safety inspections that's what they "SHOULD" stick to.
When Americans give up fighting when they feel the constitutional right has been violated is the day the Government wins and will control everything...when that happens the one right that will always protect you will be gone...# 5
It's unreal how people will dispute this fact and say it is a waste of time and money to fight on something that is constitutionally wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe in the United States of American and not the Peoples Republic of America!!!
I'm done...I will say no more. |
Paw
| | Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 01:30 am: |
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Loki wrote...Do you really think the the Governor is going to read your(that) letter? Some staffer will open it, peruse it, then set it in a pile. Thinly veiled threats of recording a stop or of potential legal action will get you nowhere fast.
On top of that, you are now on another list.
Loki,
I think i mentioned in my post if his staff would forward it to him. And I have no threat on the Govenor just told him i would go to court and fight any ticket i felt was unjust...Please copy and paste the threat you say i have in my letter!!! And there in no law against me caring a camera and videoing these safety inspection!!!
I think you need to read post a little slower or put you glasses on. |
Paw
| | Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 01:31 am: |
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What if your from a state that does not require state inpection ( Arkansas for one) that means no safety sticker on your vehicle, do you still get a fine? NY requires a sticker be in plain site on the left of the vehicle. So if your state does not require one then I guess you eF'ed in states that do!!! So tell me, what is the ruling on that one?
now i'm done. :-)
(Message edited by paw on May 18, 2009) |
Loki
| | Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 04:37 pm: |
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Just go back and reread what you posted as the email you sent. Read it from an objective pint of view. Read it from the perspective of you receiving it. At what one word do you stop and toss it aside. At what point do you think the person is a bit off their rocker.
I read it from an objective point of view. To ME it reads, in its whole, as a thinly veiled threat.
As for Arkansas. We used to have a safety inspection tag. IT only applied to vehicles with a Arkansas tag. As I am sure it is the same for New York. Just as, lets say, Minnesota, requires you to display two tags on your car. Arkansas only requires one. Am I breaking the law when I travel through Minnesota? Not in the least, the vehicle is valid in the state it is registered in. How about Minnesota and Wisconsin, both require that your car display a tag on the front and rear. Wisconsin does not require you to have the yearly tab on both tags, Minnesota does. Is someone from Wisconsin breaking a Minnesota law. These are requirements to legally operate said vehicle on the road.
We could draw this out anyway you want from here. I will stand by what I said. If you get stopped for the SAFETY inspection. Anything out in the open is fair game for a citation to be issued.
Go back to Sturgis a year or so back. After S.Dak started enforcing their handle bar height. A lot of out of staters got citations over it. Eventually they got a free pass over it.
Of those items listed to be looked at. At least six of them are DOT(Federal) mandated items. In which the state law parallels them.
The short answer to all this is. Make sure your bike is valid for the state in which it is tagged.
peace out brother, I am going for a ride |
Paw
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 10:18 am: |
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I would toss it out at the point they say their 2 year old could beat me in an election and laugh as I was was filling my trash can with all the other letters I got just like Patterson is getting as I type. Most of the letter was me electing to use my constitutional right to freedom of speach I never once threaten harm to him...And simply stated I would exersice my freedom to defend myself anyway I want that is legal...And if you or any Gonenor can not take criticism then leave office or whatever your doing, as you said you read it from an objective point of view "YOUR POINT OF VIEW"...And the way you have ranted about it tells me you can not take criticism and a little heckling.
And let bring up your Sturgis comment...Our disagreement is about, out of state riders...It would be very wrong of NY to fine any out of stater for something that is legal on their bike in the state it is registered in...If NY does fine them, like most have stated before it is a way to target a group of people and make some money for the state of NY.
And how does a tag and registration make a vehicle safe to operate on the road...I was talking about a safety inspection stickers "MOST" states make you display them on your vehicle. NY and PA require them on the left...My brother lives in Arkansas and has never taken any of his vehicles to a service station and had a vehicle safety inspection done to it...How does the state of NY or any other state know it is safe to be operated on the road without that sticker. The tag or registration sticker does not tell you that...Again it all goes back to my original words of: If your vehicle does not have a SAFETY INSPECTION STICKER (not tags or registration stickers) then I guess they can fine you for that to even though the other state does not require annual safety inspection or a safety sticker.
So i will make it easy for you. Can NY fine you for not having that safety inspection sticker when your state does not require one on your bike but NY does. This is the same as handle bar height some states have no requirement but NY does.
Loki you argued that they won't because the vehicle is tagged and registered in their state...Makes no sense to fine for equipment but not a safety sticker.
Atleast Virginia has a sign stating detectors are illeagal...That one is for you Court just in case you try to state it again...LOL
(Message edited by paw on May 20, 2009) |
Paw
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 10:25 am: |
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Ha, be glad you guys don't drive commercial vehicles. Scales and inspections are part of life in a truck.
And they are regulated by the U.S. DOT not the state they are in. |
Mortarmanmike120
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 11:36 am: |
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Some good points I'd never considered.
Is it legal to drive an out of state car in California? One that doesn't meet California's emissions standards? My county, Hamilton, requires emissions test for tags. The rest of TN does not. To the best of my knowledge, Hamilton county does not write tickets to out of county registered cars that just happen to be in Hamilton Co.
The dual license plates was a good analogy. Is my car illegal and subject to being impounded just because it only has a rear plate. A single plate is legal in TN but not OH. My car meets all requirements for registration in my state.
Radar detectors in VA I can see because they're not actually a "part" of the car. Not to get into a discussion on what a "part" of the car means I'll leave that to the legally minded folks. Its kinda like state laws that regulate how you transport firearms or fireworks or booze or anything like that. VA says no radar detectors. It doesn't make your car illegal. It just means your engaged in a illegal activity.
What about insurance? If one state has a lower required amount are you illegal for driving in a state that has a high minimum coverage?
States obviously have a right to decide how you drive (speed limits, radar/no radar, helmet/no helmet, etc...) but it was my understanding that license, tags, and safety inspections were equally recognized across all states.
Can a state just decide not to recognize a DL from another state. Example: TN decides not to honor DL's from GA and now all GA folks in TN are subject to arrest for driving without a license.
Just curious. Never really thought about most of this. |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 11:36 am: |
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I do think that with how easy it is to travel between states, that vehicle regulations and laws should be federal and not state. I understand that means the Federal Gov't would be getting more power than it needs, and that we'd likely all end up following California's dumb emissions laws, but it would put a rest to all of this. Either your bike is legal or it isn't, regardless of what state you're in. |
Bott
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 12:41 pm: |
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New York now has in legislation a bill, that if passed, will require you to have a valid NYS Motorcyle LICENSE before purchasing any road ridden motorcycle. Pesonally, I dont like the law, but then again, the rider on the 2009 Fat Boy, clad in all brand new shiny black leather HD branded gear scares the shite outta me. I know its not ALWAYS, but the majority of the time,this dude JUST started riding, and likely does not know how to handle that 700 pound behemoth.Please note, I did say this is not always the case. |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 12:47 pm: |
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So do they expect everyone with a permit to be able to borrow a bike from someone else?
I know I'm not going to lend my bike to some n00b to learn on. |
Bott
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 12:56 pm: |
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I'm a member of ABATE (American Bikers Aimed Toward Education) and was at The Capital Ride on monday. That news knocked my socks off, and was really the only NEW news as far as new legislation , other than a bill changing the mandatory fine for "illegal aftermarket exhaust" will change from $100 to $300 for first offense. Anyway, great ride, HUNDREDS of bikes, great mix of cruisers and sportbikes---and ONE Buell, mine LOL |
Bott
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 01:01 pm: |
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Bott
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 01:15 pm: |
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Doon
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 01:46 pm: |
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eek. Valid NYS M class License to purchase a bike? Are the dealers up in arms over this? I could see perhaps limiting the size of the bike that one could purchase (ie >650cc) or the weight (> xxx lbs?) without a M endorsement, but any road motorcycle? Is there a current law that dictates you must have a Drivers license to purchase a car?
I took the MANYS offered Course to get my Mot Endorsement, (best thing I ever did). But I did own a 250cc Ninja, a marauder, and an VFR750F while I still had my permit.. |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 01:56 pm: |
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I license, as it stands and as it SHOULD stand, is a permit for you to OPERATE a car or bike. It is not a right to purchase a car or bike. |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 03:41 pm: |
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Sorry . . . I've been a bit busy the last two days . . .
I'll be back on planet Earth by Friday. |
Mortarmanmike120
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 04:08 pm: |
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I license, as it stands and as it SHOULD stand, is a permit for you to OPERATE a car or bike. It is not a right to purchase a car or bike
Bullshit! It is a right to engage in commerce. Granted, it's a privilege to ride a bike on a public road but who say's I'm not gonna buy my Ultra Classic and ride it on the farm? Or put it unriden into storage? Or take it to the gun-range and shoot the hell out of it?
What about dirt bikes that you don't need a license for? Will motocrossers have to get a license before they can buy their bike that will never see pavement? What about dual sports?
You don't need a license to buy or own a car! |
Mortarmanmike120
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 04:09 pm: |
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Congratulations Court, you look might scholarly! |
Old_man
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 04:12 pm: |
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Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Congratulations Court. |
Doon
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 04:21 pm: |
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court. Power Blue? Really? (j/k -- congrats..) |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 06:51 pm: |
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Congrats Court! |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 07:35 pm: |
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Some things are simple. Others, not.
The paperwork your state requires ( state of registration/plate on bike ) is good any state. If Arkansas does not have inspection stickers, your Arkansas registered bike is good without one in NY.
That's not to say a police officer won't THINK you need a sticker, and you may need to go to court to prove it. Sucks, huh?
But equipment rules are rules to operate a vehicle in a locality. You may not need headlights to drive in Cats Square NC, ( I bet you do ) but in NY state they will require lights. The attitude is, we have to take their paperwork rules, but if you don't like our reality rules, leave. ( after paying us mucho dinero ) Ditto for speed limits, quirks like lane splitting, ( NO NO in NY ) and helmet laws. Don't like to wear a helmet? Don't ride here.
I could be wrong, but that's how I play it, and it's the way the police i've talked to tell me they will.
The stops are for revenue.
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Froggy
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 07:47 pm: |
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quote:You may not need headlights to drive in Cats Square NC
That reminds me, I was on my way to Georgia, and right after I crossed the border into North Carolina (or was it South?), there was a sign that said "Motorcycles must burn headlights". I was confused, because I wasn't on a Firebolt. |
Loki
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 08:41 pm: |
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PAW,
Where did you say or show anything about physical harm being done? You did not. I did not say you did. Did I? Yet one can threaten and be threatened without physical violence being involved or suggested.
To assume that the the word "threat(en)" involves nothing other than physical recourse, is a myopic view of the words use.
As for the Sturgis comment. It was an analogy. They tried to enforce a S.Dak motor vehicle code on visitors to the state.
Thanks MotarMan. You saw the analogy(s) I was making.
They were and are specific state mandated vehicle codes. Just like having an "inspection" decal displayed. State specific vehicle codes apply to residents of said state. NOT visitors.
Simply put the NY Safety inspection decal does not apply to any vehicle not registered/tagged in NY. It is a NY specific vehicle code.
NY can cite me for any of the Federal DOT mandated items. Those apply across all the states.
IF I was in a position that NY wrote me a citation. Specifically one that is a NY specific vehicular code violation. As a non-resident I would fight it. |
Old_man
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 09:59 pm: |
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States honor other states regulations on motor vehicles.
Helmet use is another story. |
Iamike
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 10:09 pm: |
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The thing that bothers me about those large fines is that you can make a left turn in front of a biker, kill him, and then get a $70 fine for an improper turn.
Where is the proportionality here (except for revenue enhancement). |
Cochise
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 10:40 pm: |
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Mortarman, here in Arkansas we are required to get a copy of Driver's License in every car deal, for every person on the Title. No ID/Driver's License, no vehicle. It may not be because of the driving part of it, however, it could just be for identity purposes.
I am pretty sure Loki is correct about what happens after the stop. Same way when they stop you for a broken taillight and find drugs they aren't going to let you go because it wasn't an equipment violation. |
Paw
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 11:54 pm: |
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Loki
IF I was in a position that NY wrote me a citation. Specifically one that is a NY specific vehicular code violation. As a non-resident I would fight it.
This is what i have been saying all along damn it's about time you see the light.
And if someone feels the least threatened in anyway over the email i wrote...Then it is time for them to take there head out of the sand and start living dude!!!
(Message edited by paw on May 21, 2009) |
Paw
| | Posted on Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 12:16 am: |
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Oh yeah Loki, this too
This was one of my post i wrote just before you chimed in to this thread please compare it to the last line in your previous post.
It is hard to believe NY can fine out of state motorcyclist every state has different laws when it comes to a lot of these issues. If your bike is legal in your state I can not see how NY can fine you for just driving threw or visiting for a few days. If they do i think that is very winnable in court.
Looks like you do agree with me.
That is what I was getting at for the last 3 days about you out of staters who are just passing through or here for a few days to fight NY in court for writing a fine for your state legal bike.
(Message edited by paw on May 21, 2009) |
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