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     Methed |
Am I really going to jump into this? Diving in... >Here in MN. after 5 years barely 1% of the population has applied for a permit. As for a sudden surge in interest in guns & ammo, no where near as many permits are being renewed as were issued 5 years ago... Clearly concealed carry is not the kind of mainstream issue that swings an election. Interesting statistic, but bogus when making your point. As a MN resident as well, I can tell you that, as of the last time I checked, there were no more of the restricted conceal and carry permits available. There was a limit to the number of permits that the legislature granted from day one, so to say that less than a certain percentage of the population has a permit in our state is irrelevant as the law limits the total number allowed to a specific number. Think before you speak, or plan to be called out and have your facts checked. And yes, feel free to flame me. I know what I signed up for when I made this post. BTW, if they've increased the number of available permits I'd love to know and be proven wrong, as the only classes available as of last fall were renewal classes, nothing for new applicants and I'd like to express my rights, so to speak.  | ||
| Bill0351 |
"Thank goodness that folks who voted for Obama are heading to the Republican party and he continues to befuddle them with more broken promises." Do you have any statistics to back that up? I didn't think so. Just wishing it to be true doesn't make it so. He currently has a roughly 90% approval rating among Democrats and 60% among independents. http://www.gallup.com/poll/117355/Obama-Approval-R ating-Stable-Polarized.aspx Having statistics to back up an argument is always your best bet. Here are a bunch on gun control (mainly pertaining to handguns). http://www.gallup.com/poll/117361/Recent-Shootings -Gun-Control-Support-Fading.aspx I wonder why people were so anti-handgun in 1959. If anything, the US is more tolerant of handgun ownership than at any point in recent memory. I don't know how that transfers to assault weapons though. So much for B-girl's theory. | ||
| Court |
>>>Do you have any statistics to back that up? None beyond the fact that Barack Obama's popularity has dropped faster than any President in his first 100 days of office. His popularity is falling like a rock in both parties. You just can't lie.  | ||
| Court |
By the way . . . if you need them, HERE are the DAY BY DAY Presidential numbers most widely accepted (as in these are the ones The White House reacts to) Note:
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| Court |
Here, by the way, is some commentary about the Gallup figures you cited. Obama started with 52,000,000+ folks who voted against him.
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| Ft_bstrd |
The real sad and disturbing part about the 2nd Amendment debate is the fact that the 2nd Amendment isn't open to popular debate. An amendment to the constitution is what it is. It isn't open to interpretation. It isn't open to current usage. It isn't open to evolutionary re-examination. The original purpose of the 2nd Amendment, as framed by the founding fathers, was to provide the general population with a means of individual property ownership that allowed each individual person to participate in the protection of their nation from foreign invaders as well as to protect themselves from a government which has become oppressive. Obama, with the aid of liberal minded Americans, has chosen to continue to work to alter what the definition of words is rather than to pursue, via direct and prescribed methodologies, the alteration of many of the components of the Constitution. If you believe that the 2nd Amendment only covers those firearms meant for home protection or hunting, you are party to the active subversion of the Constitution and disassembly of the framework of this nation. If you believe the large central government prescribed by progressives, liberals, stateists, socialists, communists, and the current administration in direct contravention of the 10th Amendment, you are party to the active subversion of the Constitution and disassembly of the framework of this nation. It is that simple. We, the "conservatives", were comfortable allowing you to "experiment" with your social ideas using your own time, resources, and effort. The point at which you elect, under penalty of imprisonment, to confiscate income on a mass scale in order to promote and execute large government, non-Federalist programs in direct contravention of the Constitution, we will assemble to stop and reverse your "progress". This is NOT over by a LONG shot. We will utilize the means provided within the legal frame work of the Constitution. If upon finding that the legal means have been so corrupted as to become ineffective, we will utilize the secondary means provided within the frame work of the Constitution. The 2nd Amendment. This great nation SHALL NOT perish from the Earth, so help me God. (Message edited by ft_bstrd on April 19, 2009) | ||
| Court |
I could not have said it better. From another perspective (and I'm not letting Bush and Cheney off the hook here either) I'm amazed at how much blatant dishonesty, poor values and lack of principles the American people tolerate. Under the false hope of thinking there is "something in it for themselves" a majority of folks have rallied behind what is essentially dressed up to look like the easy way. There is still a lady on 129th in Harlem who's not paying her gas bill because someone told her the government would "take care of everything" of Barack was elected. Sheep. | ||
| Moxnix |
Folk are guided by one of the following in the voting booth: Emotion Logic OHB got elected and the Left is still PO'd. I surmise they believe they used logic, but then we get back to the subject of blatant dishonesty, poor values and lack of principles. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The herald cry from the left when the promises are broken and the deliverance by giant government go unfulfilled will be that we simply haven't done enough. It was the same with FDR. It will be the same with Obama. Those who stand in the way of "progress" will be blamed for the lack of success rather than the feckless programs and misguided strategies. Bush was part of the latest and greatest salvo across the bow in destroying our Federalist framework. Shame on him. "We" voted for Obama. Shame on us. "Carter's Second Term" will provide us with Reagan II. Can't friggin' wait!!!!! | ||
| Moxnix |
OHB has the "incremental" strategy in play. Take an inch every day and the rubes won't see it until it's too late, or never in the case of the handout brigades. Buying votes with "counterfeit money" is the best way to attain power. | ||
| Buellgrrrl |
Court, Research 2000 has Obama's favorabiolity at 10 points higher (69%), and it's held pretty steady. The same pollster shows the democrats with a positive/negative approval differential of +10% and the republicans at -43%. The democrats have dropped 10% since the inauguaration, but the republicans have dropped 20%- doesn't sound like Obama is losing support and the republicans are making a comeback. As for the excuses for Minnesotan's disinterest in "packing", yes, you can openly carry a handgun in Minnesota. And any one who does so quickly finds themselves surrounded by law enforcement demanding said handgun and an explanation. As for there being a cap on permits and training, that's nonsense- fact is, the number of permits is actually dropping as many permittees are not renewing them. There no shortage of training too- check the websites. I've got a standing offer of free training from an instructor I know, and despite the fact she's one of the few female instructors in the state she's been none too busy. So the conclusion is obvious- the 2nd amendment is an issue for maybe one or two percent of voters, and most of them are already firmly in the republican camp. The republicans will need to win over a lot more voters than that to become a majority party again... perhaps the republicans need to campaign at gay pride celebrations instead of gun shows. | ||
| Buelleaver |
Let me start by saying I consider myself an independent because I think both parties are too self serving. After the mess Bush left there was no way the incumbent party was going to hang on to power. But the Best thing about the republicans is there support of the second amendment. So now the democrats have Essentially won the white house through incompetent default on the part of the republicans. My hope Is that they can’t be so stupid themselves as to think that they are there are a result of their own genius. They should have learned by now that pandering to their radical liberal base (that needs to get a life) is not what most Americans want. It is not what got them elected. But right away they proceed with the arrogant notion that they are entitled to reinterpret the constitution. They need to know they have no right to reinterpret the corner stone of this great country. After they cut up the second amendment what amendment will they look at next ? (Message edited by buelleaver on April 19, 2009) | ||
| Gregtonn |
Two quotes from Winston Churchill. Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains. - Winston Churchill The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. - Winston Churchill G | ||
| Moxnix |
Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Autobiography of Mark Twain As a Blue Dog Democrat, both extremes in politics cause me concern. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
So the conclusion is obvious- the 2nd amendment is an issue for maybe one or two percent of voters, and most of them are already firmly in the republican camp. The republicans will need to win over a lot more voters than that to become a majority party again... perhaps the republicans need to campaign at gay pride celebrations instead of gun shows. No. Gays understand the importance of self protection. Theres even an organization! Ive shot with a lesbian and gay man who are members: http://www.pinkpistols.org/index2.html Guns rights are not a republican issue. They are an American issue that needs to be understood and fought to maintain. | ||
| Spatten1 |
So the conclusion is obvious- the 2nd amendment is an issue for maybe one or two percent of voters That's just screaming ignorance regarding the American political system. No point in saying any more. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I know: So the conclusion is obvious- the 2nd amendment is an issue for maybe one or two percent of voters IN FRANCE | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Wonder what else she can pull out of her ass? | ||
| Oldog |
You know that its serious when a 72 year old lady, who has never owned a gun that it may be a good idea to get one...... O ne B ig A ss M istake A merica | ||
| Xl1200r |
How's this one for demographics? (it's long but WAY worth it) (Message edited by xl1200r on April 20, 2009) (Message edited by xl1200r on April 20, 2009) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
You could govern by polls and sound bites... I would much rather you govern from a fundamental basis of ethics, sound judgement, fiscal responsibility and representative legislation.... What the hell was I thinking? | ||
| Aesquire |
Leaving the politics completely out of this for the moment. No Party ideology or agenda. If guns were vanished from the Earth by magic, If the bow was no more, If the Sling of David were outlawed on pain of death...... Then the strong & violent would rule. Period. If you lack the strength & skill to swing a club or sword with lethal purpose, you are the slave of those who can. Don't believe me? Ask the armless victims of tribal violence in Rawanda. An old quote. "God didn't make man equal...Sam Colt did" or... Those who turn their swords into plowshares will till the fields for those who did not. | ||
| M1combat |
You're such a troll gurley... So... when I was living in MN (for eight years) I didn't apply for a CCW because I knew it wouldn't be issued (I asked many officers about the subject). Not because I'm a criminal or shouldn't have one but because they just don't get approved there. You can apply all day every day, you'll get laughed at all day every day. Everyone I knew in that sorry state just understood that it's a waste of time. I finally decided that the whole effing place is a waste of time and space and moved to AZ. I would prefer if you stay right where you're at though... just for the record. 2% of voters gurley? Yeah... that's called idiot speak. We live in the country with the most guns per capita of any country in the world by FAR and you think it's a 2% issue? Get back under your ••••••• rock. That was an excellent post Ftb... There's another party on July 4 btw... | ||
| Greenlantern |
None beyond the fact that Barack Obama's popularity has dropped faster than any President in his first 100 days of office. Except Lincoln's. (Let's hope the parallels end there, yikes)  | ||
| Hexangler |
I guess it all depends on your perspective... http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/popularity.php  | ||
| Court |
Hahahahaha . . . I'll bet that if you took a poll at Columbia University it'd look a lot like that UCSB one. It is an interesting project they are doing tracking travels, meetings, press conferences and trying to get a handle on "what a President does". A perhaps more telling graph. . .  | ||
| Dbird29 |
How many bullets did Cain's magazine hold when he shot Abel? | ||
| Court |
Hahahahaha . . . I'll bet that if you took a poll at Columbia University it'd look a lot like that UCSB one. It is an interesting project they are doing tracking travels, meetings, press conferences and trying to get a handle on "what a President does". A perhaps more telling graph. . .  | ||
| Xl1200r |
The apparent disconnect between Hussein and FDR is appalling, considering the eagerness of so many to shed the two in similar light. | ||
| Old_man |
When is the next election? The ONLY poll that will matter. |
