| Author | Message | ||
     Buellgrrrl |
You guys don't know it, but you're losing the demographic battle. The overbearingly staunch defenders of the 2nd amendment tend to be in, to put it politely, the autumn of there lives. By the next presidential election, there number will have dropped by over 10%. The young people who will replace them in the voting booth have no positive relationship with guns. They have no place to hunt, the guys at the local firing range turn them off, and they largely live in cities where guns are seen as a problem rather than an asset. Sorry, that's the reality, and the demographics aren't going to change soon if ever. | ||
| Jb2 |
So the Constitution is no longer a reality? They warned us about folks like you. | ||
| Hexangler |
No, the constitution is a living work of Law. Times change, it will too. | ||
| Chellem |
I'm not sure where you're getting your demographics from exactly, but don't they have babies in rural areas anymore? Kids only live in cities? I hadn't heard that. I'm nowhere NEAR the autumn of my life, thank you very much. And while I don't hunt, uh, that's not why most of us need guns, whether we know it or not. You speak in such broad strokes, I'm just looking for where you heard this. All young people are turned off by all people at firing ranges? What about all the soldier who will be (hopefully) returning from various places? What about all the military, ROTC-type kids? I bet THEY have a "positive relationship" with guns. Police forces are recruiting from SOMEWHERE, and I imagine the ability to carry a gun weighs pretty heavily in the decision to become a cop. And you can bet that a lot of youth in rural areas are being taught about guns and the usefulness of them. So, sorry, but I don't buy YOUR version of reality. Not the first time. ->ChelleM | ||
| Greenlantern |
Dave, No. I didn't miss that. Because it didn't happen. This is another thing I didn't miss. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824 Running Windows? your calendar is out again... http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/pr esident-ob-17.html 2 months in political time is like 20 in technology time.  | ||
| Court |
>>>The overbearingly staunch defenders of the 2nd amendment tend to be in, to put it politely, the autumn of there lives. That's not accurate.  Hehehehe . . . there is a good representation among Financial Energy Traders under 25 in Beverly Hills who worked summers in college as Victoria Secret models. | ||
| Jstfrfun |
Sorry to disrupt there Grrl, come out to Nevada and do some checking at the ranges, some of our best shooters are young people who are informed and prepared with firearms. Frontsite training center has package memberships for FAMILIES, education eliminates mysteries and ignorance. BTW hows the new Beemer? | ||
| Xl1200r |
The overbearingly staunch defenders of the 2nd amendment tend to be in, to put it politely, the autumn of there lives. By the next presidential election, there number will have dropped by over 10%. The young people who will replace them in the voting booth have no positive relationship with guns. They have no place to hunt, the guys at the local firing range turn them off... Eh... not so sure about that. I started shooting at age 14. Started to get serious around age 22 or so, and I'm 25 now. I lived/live in the suburbs and cities. I went to a shooting range every week for 2 years to shoot trap (a traditionally 'old mans' sport) and was met with nothing but excitement, open arms and a strong willingness to teach by the guys who belonged to the club, most of whom much older than I. Though I don't currently own a firearm, I used to, and will again. Try again. | ||
| Rfischer |
Oh GOD! She's back. Will you people never learn not to rise to the fly?? Court, you know better! | ||
| Court |
>>>>>Court, you know better! Armed with more degrees than a Free Mason . . . my quest in life is to stamp out stupidity wherever I find it. Don't make me have to shoot you.  My kids, I suppose as partially as a result of my attempted murder never go anywhere without their Sig 229's. (Message edited by court on April 17, 2009) | ||
| P_squared |
Went to the store over the weekend with my 4 yr old daughter. She almost wouldn't let me leave without getting her the .22 Chipmunk rifle, in pink of course. I had to promise her that I'll teach her to shoot and buy her her very own pink rifle when she's a little bit bigger/older. Yup, none of those darn kids nowadays want ANYTHING to do with guns. | ||
| Xl1200r |
My kids, I suppose as partially as a result of my attempted murder never go anywhere without their Sig 229's. MMMmmmmmmm... Sig Sauer... gonna have a hard time NOT getting one of those some day. | ||
| Oldog |
Armed with more degrees than a Free Mason . . . my quest in life is to stamp out stupidity wherever I find it. Don't make me have to shoot you.  Your going to have some sore feet there .. you will need a dump truck load of gold bond foot powder and some snow shoes to stamp out that level of "stupidity" } | ||
| Greenlantern |
my quest in life is to stamp out stupidity wherever I find it. 'Round these parts, we call that the backfire board. Happy hunting! Sorry, sometimes I just can't help myself.  | ||
| S1wmike |
My kids, I suppose as partially as a result of my attempted murder never go anywhere without their Sig 229's. Sig.....DON'T leave home without it | ||
| Madduck |
Went shooting last night with two of my nephews and their SO's. Showing them the accuracy of the standard peep sights on a 223 DPMS and my 308 M1A. The women learned faster and enjoyed it more. The boys went out to grab some chow as I helped the women get used to handgun shooting. Local police/sheriff SWAT team arrived. Two chicks shooting large bore handguns seem to be irresistable. Was very good training for the boys, seeing their chicks being the center of attention. All survived and had a wonderful time. Much cheaper shooting the 223 but the 308 was judged to be much higher on the fun scale. Even SWAT people can be amazed at open sight accuracy. I think my looking more like their father helped a lot. | ||
| Ourdee |
My last trip to the range. My friend's wife would never shoot his pistol (Glock in .45 ACP)or get familiar with it. He is a cop. I took my wife's Firestar in 9 mm. Got her to shoot it. After 9 shots her husband asks if she is done shooting. She just looked at him funny and went back to shooting. After I finally got the 9 mm away from her I talked her into shooting the Glock. I hope he can afford to buy the ammo. She likes shooting and can hit a gallon jug at 50 yards. I told him to work with her on shooting targets at less than 7 meters. We had 4 boys there from 5 to 12. They shot 2 12 gages, a 20 gage, .22 pistols and rifles, a .22 magnum wheel gun, a.25 auto, a lever action 30-30. I kept the boys off the .454 Cassul. The 5 year olds favorite was the .22 magnum. He works on his target skills with airsoft. My goal is to introduce a person a year to shooting. I'm ahead of schedule this year.  | ||
| Indybuell |
I never go anywhere with out my Ruger at my side. | ||
| Oddsc |
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=6121915&page=1 | ||
| Cityxslicker |
So at what point does a gun become an 'assault weapon'? High capacity Historic Thompson ? AK 47 Vietnam Era ? Mini 14 with Suppressor ? 1911 with hi capacity mag? 12 gauge shot gun with short barrel and a full bandoleer of rounds ? ..... | ||
| Buellgrrrl |
Check the census if you doubt the demographics. Plain and simple, most of our population lives in metropolitan areas and no longer has access to the land for hunting. Gun use in this country has traditionally been built around hunting- It's only recently that upmarket gun ranges have become available. My family is typical- grandpa took us kids hunting a half century ago because he still had some ins with the folks they sold the family farm too that got us access. I'd love to go hunting again, but that farm has changed hands a bunch of times and been subdivided and I don't think they even allow hunting in that city now- yes it's a city. As for acquiring shooting skills in the military, our military is a lot smaller than it used to be, and a lot of the recruits come from rural areas. So while a lot of ammunition has been selling of late, it's mostly selling to the same folks who have been buying it for years. | ||
| Court |
I know there is a limit to the number of rounds you are suppose to have in a 10/22. . . . so, I've staked my hopes that they never pass a law making it illegal to carry 75 loaded magazines. Me? I'm a roll gun 686 sort of a guy . . . a hug believer in noise and muzzle flash. I'm also a huge advocate of never letting anyone know the deal. My instructions to the kids, again largely influenced by my personal experience, is "by the time they see it you should have already fired 2 accurate rounds". Again . . . I've no quest for trouble, will walk a mile to avoid it. But, if it finds me. . . game on. | ||
| M1combat |
"So at what point does a gun become an 'assault weapon'? " Wow... can't believe no one got the answer right so far... A weapon becomes an "assault weapon" when you're ASSAULTING someone with it. Before that it's just a firearm. There's another "tea party" on July 4, btw. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The 2nd Amendment has never had anything to do with Grandpa or hunting or home defense. If there is an altered demographic position on the 2nd Amendment, it's by design via our educational system. Read some history as to why the 2nd Amendment was created. I'd doesn't matter where you live or whether you hunt or not if you understand the reason for the 2nd Amendment, you will be a staunch defender. The Constitution is NOT a "living document". What it says is what it says. If you don't like what it says, there is a specific mechanism for altering what it says. Liberals can't use this specific method because there is no way that sufficient numbers of states would vote to ratify. In stead they use the courts to bend, corrupt, and subvert clear meanings in order to create the Constitutional outcome they desire. The founding fathers would be sickened at what we have become. | ||
| Court |
>>>So while a lot of ammunition has been selling of late, it's mostly selling to the same folks who have been buying it for years. Handgun sales are, since the election, at record levels as well. I haven't bought ammo in years. Drove to Kansas a while back and bought over $500 worth. Call me a "returning customer" after a long time out of the fold. By the way , , , I still have 4 - 7 shot 686 speedloaders, 2 magazines for a Browning Challenger Medalist and a couple boxes of 3-1/2" 12ga BB shot shells that I bought by accident if anyone has any interest. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Buellgrrrl you are so wrong but you have a point. I'll agree that 2nd rights are dwindling or have less meaning in the major cities but for a twist look at the past Heller vs. DC ruling. I think alot of us are tired of people from densely populated areas determining whats best for everyone in America. We dont want a few to ruin it for many. Thank God for the electoral college. Education plays a key role in maintaining our freedoms. Its scary to think that public school teachers would be sucked into one sides ideology. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I have been buying a flat of ammo every pay check since the new administration.... Whats a flat? A hand full of those, a case of that, a dozen of thems, and a couple of those, all in a nice duffel.... Its beginning to look like a hotel check in caddy. (worse case scenario, I sell the excess off at 2012 when the chicken little crowd thinks the world is ending... like it did in 2000) There is a reason there is a flag by the fence gate ... and the mail box is 200 yds away | ||
| M1combat |
"Gun use in this country has traditionally been built around hunting" Oh my... "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Can you please find the word "hunting" or any derivative thereof in that there congressionaly approved sentence dear? How about the one sent to and ratified by the states? "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Are we securing our free states from Deer and Antelope? Gophers maybe? Nope... Tyranny. Hows about you provide some tech (aka back it up) about your little spout about demographics? Do they even ask firearms related questions for the census??? Where I come from the younger generation is all about firearms. I know more 20 somethings with CCW's than I do 40 somethings, and I know quite a few more 40 somethings. The retired folk tend to have more/nicer firearms, but the youngsters are starting their collections quite nicely. The media's campaign of insulting the intelligence of the younger crowd has really back fired. People are starting to realize that guns indeed do not kill people, and I think you'd be VERY surprised to know just what sort of percentage of those young people don't trust our government. "It's only recently that upmarket gun ranges have become available." And why exactly do you suppose that's the case gurly? Maybe it has something to do with supply and demand? Like maybe there's more people in cities that actually understand that they may need to defend themselves? So please... If you have some tech about the younger peeps being against guns (anywhere other than on a commune...) please share it. Here's an interesting statistic... Guns per 100 people... United States 90.0 2007 Yemen 61.0 2007 Switzerland 46.0 2007 Iraq 39.0 2007 Serbia 37.5 2007 France 32.0 2007 Finland[5] 32.0 2008 Canada 31.5 2007 Sweden 31.5 2007 Austria 31.0 2007 Germany 30.0 2007 New Zealand[2] 26.8 1993 Saudi Arabia 26.3 2007 Greece 23.0 2007 Angola 20.5 2007 Thailand 16.0 2007 Australia 15.5 2007 Mexico 15.0 2007 South Africa 13.1 2007 Turkey 13.0 2007 Argentina 12.6 2007 Italy 12.1 2007 Pakistan 12.0 2007 Spain 11.0 2007 Russia 9.0 2007 | ||
| Dbird29 |
Do not let any Old Men see that you have kids around guns. That was a Backfire Board topic for a while.  Lot's of hurt feelings on that one.   | ||
| Buellgrrrl |
You can theorize all you want about the 2nd amendment, but most people didn't learn to shoot because of the 2nd amendment. The demographic reality is that a dwindling portion of our population is living in rural areas. Those rural areas have traditionally provided our best mechanics as well as hunters, etc.. I'm saddened by that loss, and especially when I see what few city folks get interested in guns getting interested for all the wrong reasons. |
