| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
Yeah . .. you are right. I'm still reeling from the fools that Obama has made of us on his recent "we apologize for being Americans" tour. He left only wanting TWO simple things and got told to pound salt on both of them. Okay . . the CG can have it. How'd you guess I was a Marine?  | ||
| Aesquire |
Pirates are not a law enforcement issue. They are enemies of humanity and deserving of destruction, not civil rights. True, LE techniques may pinpoint the villages they operate from, but you can't arrest them there, nor punish the village for supporting them. They bring in too mush wealth to a desperately poor land. One without a real govt. Pirates at sea, though, you just sink them. That's not a LE job, that's military. Coast guard, navy, Mercs, I don't care. (Message edited by aesquire on April 10, 2009) | ||
| Nevrenuf |
just heard the update over there where the captain tried to escape by jumping over and they started shooting at him. somehow they recaptured him and is back on board the lifeboat. why wasn't the military keeping an eye on them with the bigeyes. now they have him tied up. send the seals in and drill a hole in the life boat so it starts to sink and when they throw him overboard their there waiting. | ||
| Oldog |
My scenario . . . . Buy time on Somalian television . . . . They have television? drop food and (talking message players they cant read ) offering money for the pirates,} its all about money. | ||
| P_squared |
It's real simple. A couple of RHIBs with shooters and a couple of helo's with shooters. Via loudspeaker, "You have 10 seconds to surrender, or we open fire...9 seconds...8 seconds..." Our shooters (provided they have them on station now) can make the shots. It's an InExtremis Hostage Recovery now w/ a hint of a VBSS. We got guys trained & chomping at the bit to do it. Let's use them. | ||
| Crackhead |
9 our of 10 planes blowing up on the runway is a jab at the Chinese manufacturing. I have no problem droping Court off in a Higgins Boat to go head hunting for the drug lords. But when the world is watching, keep your nose clean. (Message edited by crackhead on April 10, 2009) | ||
| P_squared |
It is clean. Televised head shots from our shooters. They're pirates. It's at sea. We're covered under International law for that action. You think folks will be excited to pirate the next US flagged ship in that area after they realize their buddies got introduced to a .30 bullet of 172 grains loaded at Salt Lake Arsenal? Take the shot. | ||
| Rfischer |
Um.....it's a hardcover mlb guys - no clear shot[s] possible. However, once the ransom is paid and the hostage released.... That's how the Frogs handled one of their own situations with Somali pirates. Worked out pretty good 'cept the Frogs turned the pirates over to outside LE. Woulda' been better to simply have fed the fishes. | ||
| Ourdee |
My guess is the frogs are on station. Is the sub there yet? It ain't gonna be pretty. I bet the demo. pack is already attached to the boat.  Why do they call them the "COAST" guard? What coast would they be protecting? Bring the river boats in with the miniguns on them and cut the ends off the boat. If they kill the captain, use flame throwers on them. | ||
| P_squared |
Didn't realize it was a covered boat. That'd be why I'm no longer doing rapid planning.  We still have plenty of options without paying a ransom though. In the end, they need to be treated as the law allows as soon as possible. That means their feet should never touch land again while they are alive. My approach isn't about making people 'feel good.' It is about sending a clear message that we won't let US flagged vessels be pirated. Period. Anyone who complains, tough $h!t. We're covered under International law. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Temporarily, it's a stalemate. But long term, the pirates have already lost. It's now just a question of if they want to be spiteful and suicidal. They will sit out there another 24 or 36 hours while this chews at their mind, then either give up or commit suicide. Its a shame the captain made it out of the boat and got recaptured... the second he splashed, all &*^^ should have broken loose on that life raft, though that's no doubt easier said then done. | ||
| Rfischer |
Yeah, it IS. The Navy is standing off so as not to antagonize the Somalis, but in any event don't have the small boat or the right guys to be in a position to rapid-react. Neither do they have helo assets configured and manned for this type of - dare I say it - LE mission. Having said all that, the CG has ready-teams, with boat[s] and all their gear pre-staged on C130's that can be on-scene anywhere in the world within 24 hours. I'm guessing the Swabbies are too proud to put in a call to the 'Coasties. There's more than a little inter-service rivalry; typical don't step on my dick crap. BTW, that's how the Cole got hit: the CG can dispatch Port Security teams to protect US warships anytime they put into risky port[s]. And these teams are seriously bad dudes who are just itching to shoot the crap outta somebody/something. They publicly inform local maritime authorities and operators, establish a security perimeter around the vessel and nothing enters that area unchallenged. However, they must be requested by the Navy ship's Captain or the US attache for the country/region involved. Neither did for the Cole. I believe, but am not absolutely sure, that the ship's Captain was disciplined and later retired.} | ||
| Sayitaintso |
Frogs = Frenchies, not seals/divers. Eventually these guy are gonna get hungry and thirsty. The only card they have is the skipper and once thats played they're toast. | ||
| P_squared |
"IF" CinC is using the FBI Negotiators to buy time to get operators in place, I'm ok with that. CinC also has the ability to quash the inter-service rivalry/redtape aspect, "IF" he so chooses. Personally, doesn't matter to me who does the deed, CG/Navy/USMC/Other, just as long as the job gets done professionally & leaves no ambiguity that piracy of a US flagged vessel will not be tolerated. We shall see. | ||
| Sayitaintso |
My only problem with using the CG is that it gives one more indication to the pinheaded nations (and multinational corporations) of the world that they can rely on the US to be the world's policeman and not have to take care of their own business. If its a US flagged ship...we take care of our own...but don't expect us to come running for every Dutch, Tunisian, Panamanian, Norwegian, or whatever countries' ships rescue. Especially when those counties spend bubkis on their own national defense. | ||
| Glitch |
If this turns out well, I'll bet there will be a lot of American flags flying while sailing those waters. | ||
| Court |
Someone help me . . . is it me or has something changed in America. John Kerry is wanting to convene congressional hearings to make certain the naval ships nor none of our personnel violate the rights of the pirates? Okay . . . Kerry is not the top dog . . . I wander what our Secretary of State has to say about it. | ||
| Rfischer |
Notice how Obama and his folks keep finding various crisis situations funny? Howz 'bout we volunteer Hillary to take the place of Capt. Phillips. See how funny she thinks it all is then. Arrogant self-serving jerks...we are being governed by arrogant self-serving jerks. And they are quite literally laughing at us. | ||
| Mikexlr650 |
maybe we should offer an exchange of john kerry for the captain... | ||
| Mikexlr650 |
damn, beat me to it! | ||
| Oldog |
Someone help me . . . is it me or has something changed in America. John Kerry is wanting to convene congressional hearings to make certain the naval ships nor none of our personnel violate the rights of the pirates? Why would that supprise you? more importantly why is he still in office? } | ||
| Davegess |
The standard hostage deal is to negotiate as long as possible and most of the time you get the goods guys out unharmed. You try to be ready to go in hot if need be but it is hard to do that without killing the hostage. the longer you can make it last the more likly the bad guys will screw up and the more time you hvae to figure out a plan to get the hostage out alive. Time is usually in th egood guys favor but not always. If this was political terroists you would likly do it differently. | ||
| Sayitaintso |
Hillary....Blah, Blah, Blah and it sounds like kerry just wants some face time with the media. But just for giggles, I wonder what rights he may be speaking of? International waters from a country without a functioning government???? Surely he dosen't mean the rights of American citizens in the US. | ||
| Gowindward |
This is embarrassing for us as Americans. Our leaders are cowards. | ||
| Jstfrfun |
300 miles off the coast means they have no rights, it's been a gift so far that should have been stopped a long time ago. Besides, while the ground pounders are busy in Iraq, the navy needs something to do, I'm thinking escort service. | ||
| Court |
I have a vision of 4 drones circling overhead with the names, in abut 24" letters, of each of the assholes and somehow letting them know that each of them is targeted The moment their head pops out of that boat it's popped like a watermelon dropper from a building. The only way for them to have any chance is for the hostage to leave first. I love technology. I now know how Michelle Obama felt for those many years she struggled to find a reason to be proud of her country. I think her problem is that the the ol man spends all his time apologizing. Where have all the leaders gone? | ||
| Ourdee |
Need to pull the big boat up to it and drop an anchor through it. Or hook a chain on it and drag it way out to sea. Aren't the pirates supposed to be bringing some other hijacked ships out there with hostages? Need to give Kerry an m-79 and talk him into shooting it straight up. | ||
| Gowindward |
Oh..and "Pirate reinforcements"??? The pirates are sending their rag tag fleet to rescue their mates on the life boat? And they are also hiding behind hostages? Sink them and pick up the survivors? Leave the pirates for fish food. Is this not an act of war? Lay war down on them! | ||
| Fast1075 |
"shooting it straight up"...dead absolute plumb with no breeze...  | ||
| Ourdee |
With 40 mike mike HE |
